I'm changing the subject to keep this separate from the project management tools discussion. On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Gregor Lingl <gregor.lingl@aon.at> wrote:

Hi everyone,

with this posting I refer to a paragraph in PEP 361, which says:

"""Each non-trivial feature listed here that is not a PEP must be discussed on python-dev. Other enhancements include:

- ... - turtle.py replacement or enhancements """

Some time ago I had offered my xturtle.py as a replacement of or supplement to turtle.py. The discussion that followed is here:

http://www.python.org/dev/summary/2006-06-16_2006-06-30/

At Europython 2006 I gave a talk on xturtle and there and since then I had quite positive feedback including encouragement to offer it again to include it in the python standard distribution by quite a few people including Guido van Rossum.

During the last few weeks I did some enhancements to xturtle and put the current version on the xturtle website for download in order to get same feedback about the API as well as possible bug reports. This version still needs some code polishing.

http://www.rg16.at/~python/xturtle/download.html

So I'm interested to know if this is still an issue for you. If so there should be initiated some procedure to decide that.

I think that for 3.0, replacing turtle with xturtle is great, *IF* xturtle doesn't add any additional dependencies *AND* it works well on Mac OSX, Linux and Windows.

If this decision were negative, things were done (- and I'd continue to develop xturtle elsewhere.)

If the decision were positive, I'd be able to prepare two equivalent versions for Python2.6 and Python3000 within two or three weeks. (The port to Python3000 is nearly ready.) These could include say 85% of the documentation, albeit still not in the correct format.

That sounds cool. In 2.6 I'm reluctant to replace the existing turtle module; xturtle can be added as xturtle.

I think these had to be examined my some reviewer(s) and also a discussion about features to include or not include would be useful. I'd like to intensivly take part in this discussion and development.

After a possible decision to include xturtle into Python, which certainly should take place before the first beta release, there would be enough time to polish the documentation and to fix bugs. For their discovery it would certainly be an advantage to put it in some prerelease as early as possible.

Of course I know that xturtle is only a side issue in the current development efforts. Unfortunately I'm not familiar with the procedures needed to get a new module into Python, so I kindly ask you for your advice how to proceed, at the same time offering my cooperation.

I think that for a library module like this, an email like you've sent is just fine. Maybe Brett has a suggestion on whether it would remain a toplevel module or could be placed in some umbrella package (is Tkinter being moved around?). -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)