Fwd: Python 2.x and 3.x usage survey
So far the results are looking good for 3.x. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dan Stromberg <drsalists@gmail.com> Date: Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 1:56 PM Subject: Python 2.x and 3.x usage survey To: Python List <python-list@python.org> I keep hearing naysayers, nay saying about Python 3.x. Here's a 9 question, multiple choice survey I put together about Python 2.x use vs Python 3.x use. I'd be very pleased if you could take 5 or 10 minutes to fill it out. Here's the URL: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/N5N5PG2
[Dan Stromberg]
I keep hearing naysayers, nay saying about Python 3.x.
Here's a 9 question, multiple choice survey I put together about Python 2.x use vs Python 3.x use.
I'd be very pleased if you could take 5 or 10 minutes to fill it out.
If you run Python 3 while filling out the survey, like I did, it takes less than 1 minute to complete. This may be surprising, since people usually say Python 3 is slower than Python 2. Those must people who don't fill out surveys ;-)
Here's the URL: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/N5N5PG2
Am 31.12.13 07:12, schrieb Tim Peters:
[Dan Stromberg]
I keep hearing naysayers, nay saying about Python 3.x.
Here's a 9 question, multiple choice survey I put together about Python 2.x use vs Python 3.x use.
I'd be very pleased if you could take 5 or 10 minutes to fill it out.
If you run Python 3 while filling out the survey, like I did, it takes less than 1 minute to complete. This may be surprising, since people usually say Python 3 is slower than Python 2. Those must people who don't fill out surveys ;-)
So for the Python 4 survey, I propose to have just a single question: * Have you heard of Python 4? That will prove that Python 4 is even faster than Python 3 :-) Of course, that is also because it has a JIT compiler, and runs on 16 cores with no GIL. Regards, Martin
On 12/31/2013 04:34 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote:
So for the Python 4 survey, I propose to have just a single question:
* Have you heard of Python 4?
That will prove that Python 4 is even faster than Python 3:-) Of course, that is also because it has a JIT compiler, and runs on 16 cores with no GIL.
If the question is... * What is Python 4? I think you get much more interesting answers. ;-) Cheers, Ron
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 08:16:33AM +0100, Lennart Regebro wrote:
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 6:31 AM, Dan Stromberg <drsalists@gmail.com> wrote:
So far the results are looking good for 3.x.
Python-dev probably is a bit special.
Why? Most Python-Dev people have day jobs, and the version of Python that they use in their day job is subject to exactly the same outside pressures as everyone else ("RedHat ships with Python 2.6, so that's the version we're using"). -- Steven
Am 31.12.13 11:04, schrieb Steven D'Aprano:
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 08:16:33AM +0100, Lennart Regebro wrote:
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 6:31 AM, Dan Stromberg <drsalists@gmail.com> wrote:
So far the results are looking good for 3.x.
Python-dev probably is a bit special.
Why? Most Python-Dev people have day jobs, and the version of Python that they use in their day job is subject to exactly the same outside pressures as everyone else ("RedHat ships with Python 2.6, so that's the version we're using").
Yes and no. I answered "more 2.x" to that question because my current projects have dependencies (Twisted in particular); however, I also answered that I ported code - which actually wasn't my own, and I ported it only to promote Python 3. Regards, Martin
Yeah, but I'd still expect more people on Python-dev to at least have used Python 3 and possibly be maintainers of libraries that have been ported to Python 3 etc. On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 08:16:33AM +0100, Lennart Regebro wrote:
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 6:31 AM, Dan Stromberg <drsalists@gmail.com> wrote:
So far the results are looking good for 3.x.
Python-dev probably is a bit special.
Why? Most Python-Dev people have day jobs, and the version of Python that they use in their day job is subject to exactly the same outside pressures as everyone else ("RedHat ships with Python 2.6, so that's the version we're using").
-- Steven _______________________________________________ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/regebro%40gmail.com
On 31 December 2013 20:04, Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 08:16:33AM +0100, Lennart Regebro wrote:
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 6:31 AM, Dan Stromberg <drsalists@gmail.com> wrote:
So far the results are looking good for 3.x.
Python-dev probably is a bit special.
Why? Most Python-Dev people have day jobs, and the version of Python that they use in their day job is subject to exactly the same outside pressures as everyone else ("RedHat ships with Python 2.6, so that's the version we're using").
Or moreso in some cases *cough* ;) Cheers, Nick. P.S. We're actively working on eliminating that particular rationale. While some of the key elements have already been released, there's still more work to be done :) -- Nick Coghlan | ncoghlan@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia
On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 11:16 PM, Lennart Regebro <regebro@gmail.com> wrote:
Python-dev probably is a bit special.
Indeed -- I expect it to be totally non-representative of the broader Python community. Everyone on python-dev is at least interested in the process of moving Python forward. And Py2 is frozen, so there really is no reason to be on this list if you primarily care about Python2. There are an enormous number of people that use pyton to simply get work done, and many, many, of those are still using only 2, if only because of inertia. It might be interesting to toss that survey out into the wild more and see what happens... -Chris -- Christopher Barker, Ph.D. Oceanographer Emergency Response Division NOAA/NOS/OR&R (206) 526-6959 voice 7600 Sand Point Way NE (206) 526-6329 fax Seattle, WA 98115 (206) 526-6317 main reception Chris.Barker@noaa.gov
On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 09:33:21 -0800 Chris Barker <chris.barker@noaa.gov> wrote:
It might be interesting to toss that survey out into the wild more and see what happens...
It's already been tossed in the wild, since the message originally was posted on python-list. Feel free to spread the URL a bit more. Regards Antoine.
There are an enormous number of people that use pyton to simply get work done, and many, many, of those are still using only 2, if only because of inertia.
I agree, but I expected the question: „Do you plan to write/port some of you Python 2.x code to Python 3.x next year“ (at work) Regards, francis
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 1:50 AM, Paul Moore <p.f.moore@gmail.com> wrote:
On 31 December 2013 05:31, Dan Stromberg <drsalists@gmail.com> wrote:
So far the results are looking good for 3.x.
Where can the results be seen?
I don't think there's a publicly-available results page yet. I'll summarize them after more people have had a chance to fill it out. I'm trying to get it onto planet python - that should help. But I created the blog post without a Python label initially, and added it afterward - not sure if that'll work or not.
Hackernews is a good place to start. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6992482 On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Dan Stromberg <drsalists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 1:50 AM, Paul Moore <p.f.moore@gmail.com> wrote:
On 31 December 2013 05:31, Dan Stromberg <drsalists@gmail.com> wrote:
So far the results are looking good for 3.x.
Where can the results be seen?
I don't think there's a publicly-available results page yet. I'll summarize them after more people have had a chance to fill it out.
I'm trying to get it onto planet python - that should help. But I created the blog post without a Python label initially, and added it afterward - not sure if that'll work or not. _______________________________________________ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/gokoproject%40gmail.com
On 12/31/2013 1:13 PM, Dan Stromberg wrote:
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 1:50 AM, Paul Moore <p.f.moore@gmail.com> wrote:
On 31 December 2013 05:31, Dan Stromberg <drsalists@gmail.com> wrote:
So far the results are looking good for 3.x.
Where can the results be seen?
I don't think there's a publicly-available results page yet. I'll summarize them after more people have had a chance to fill it out.
I'm trying to get it onto planet python - that should help. But I created the blog post without a Python label initially, and added it afterward - not sure if that'll work or not.
I submitted it to hacker news[1] and it has been sitting around #5 on the front page for about 3 hours now. That should've helped broaden the responses a bit. Janzert 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6990481
Ah interesting. I just saw that in my newsfeed. Thanks. Deleted mine! Yeah there is certain hours that can make a post popular :) On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Janzert <janzert@janzert.com> wrote:
On 12/31/2013 1:13 PM, Dan Stromberg wrote:
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 1:50 AM, Paul Moore <p.f.moore@gmail.com> wrote:
On 31 December 2013 05:31, Dan Stromberg <drsalists@gmail.com> wrote:
So far the results are looking good for 3.x.
Where can the results be seen?
I don't think there's a publicly-available results page yet. I'll summarize them after more people have had a chance to fill it out.
I'm trying to get it onto planet python - that should help. But I created the blog post without a Python label initially, and added it afterward - not sure if that'll work or not.
I submitted it to hacker news[1] and it has been sitting around #5 on the front page for about 3 hours now. That should've helped broaden the responses a bit.
Janzert
1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6990481
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"Martin v. Löwis" -
Antoine Pitrou -
Chris Barker -
Dan Stromberg -
francis -
Janzert -
John Wong -
Lennart Regebro -
Nick Coghlan -
Paul Moore -
Ron Adam -
Stephen J. Turnbull -
Steven D'Aprano -
Tim Peters