Am 31.12.13 07:12, schrieb Tim Peters:

[Dan Stromberg]

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I keep hearing naysayers, nay saying about Python 3.x.

Here's a 9 question, multiple choice survey I put together about Python 2.x use vs Python 3.x use.

I'd be very pleased if you could take 5 or 10 minutes to fill it out.

If you run Python 3 while filling out the survey, like I did, it takes less than 1 minute to complete. This may be surprising, since people usually say Python 3 is slower than Python 2. Those must people who don't fill out surveys ;-)

So for the Python 4 survey, I propose to have just a single question: * Have you heard of Python 4? That will prove that Python 4 is even faster than Python 3 :-) Of course, that is also because it has a JIT compiler, and runs on 16 cores with no GIL. Regards, Martin

Ron Adam writes:

* What is Python 4?

"Due in 2025" (the next Year of the Snake). Happy New Year to all and best wishes for 2014!

On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 08:16:33AM +0100, Lennart Regebro wrote:

On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 6:31 AM, Dan Stromberg wrote:

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So far the results are looking good for 3.x.

Python-dev probably is a bit special.

Why? Most Python-Dev people have day jobs, and the version of Python that they use in their day job is subject to exactly the same outside pressures as everyone else ("RedHat ships with Python 2.6, so that's the version we're using"). -- Steven

Yeah, but I'd still expect more people on Python-dev to at least have used Python 3 and possibly be maintainers of libraries that have been ported to Python 3 etc. On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:

On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 08:16:33AM +0100, Lennart Regebro wrote:

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On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 6:31 AM, Dan Stromberg wrote:

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So far the results are looking good for 3.x.

Python-dev probably is a bit special.

Why? Most Python-Dev people have day jobs, and the version of Python that they use in their day job is subject to exactly the same outside pressures as everyone else ("RedHat ships with Python 2.6, so that's the version we're using").

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On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 11:16 PM, Lennart Regebro wrote:

Python-dev probably is a bit special.

Indeed -- I expect it to be totally non-representative of the broader Python community. Everyone on python-dev is at least interested in the process of moving Python forward. And Py2 is frozen, so there really is no reason to be on this list if you primarily care about Python2. There are an enormous number of people that use pyton to simply get work done, and many, many, of those are still using only 2, if only because of inertia. It might be interesting to toss that survey out into the wild more and see what happens... -Chris -- Christopher Barker, Ph.D. Oceanographer Emergency Response Division NOAA/NOS/OR&R (206) 526-6959 voice 7600 Sand Point Way NE (206) 526-6329 fax Seattle, WA 98115 (206) 526-6317 main reception Chris.Barker@noaa.gov

There are an enormous number of people that use pyton to simply get work done, and many, many, of those are still using only 2, if only because of inertia.

I agree, but I expected the question: „Do you plan to write/port some of you Python 2.x code to Python 3.x next year“ (at work) Regards, francis

On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 1:50 AM, Paul Moore wrote:

On 31 December 2013 05:31, Dan Stromberg wrote:

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So far the results are looking good for 3.x.

Where can the results be seen?

I don't think there's a publicly-available results page yet. I'll summarize them after more people have had a chance to fill it out. I'm trying to get it onto planet python - that should help. But I created the blog post without a Python label initially, and added it afterward - not sure if that'll work or not.

On 12/31/2013 1:13 PM, Dan Stromberg wrote:

On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 1:50 AM, Paul Moore wrote:

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On 31 December 2013 05:31, Dan Stromberg wrote:

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So far the results are looking good for 3.x.

Where can the results be seen?

I don't think there's a publicly-available results page yet. I'll summarize them after more people have had a chance to fill it out.

I'm trying to get it onto planet python - that should help. But I created the blog post without a Python label initially, and added it afterward - not sure if that'll work or not.

I submitted it to hacker news[1] and it has been sitting around #5 on the front page for about 3 hours now. That should've helped broaden the responses a bit. Janzert 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6990481