I would gladly welcome a PEP 572-less development mailing-list. Regards Antoine. On Fri, 6 Jul 2018 22:29:47 +0300 Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev wrote:

On 06.07.2018 1:40, Guido van Rossum wrote:

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Thanks you for writing up a proposal. There have been many proposals made, including 'EXPR as NAME', similar to yours. It even has a small section in the PEP: https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0572/#alternative-spellings. It's really hard to choose between alternatives, but all things considered I have decided in favor of `NAME := EXPR` instead. Your efforts are appreciated but you would just be wasting your time if you wrote a PEP. If you're interested in helping out, would you be interested in working on the implementation of PEP 572?

Maybe we should call for subj? Not a day most probably, rather however much time is needed.

AFAICS, all the arguments have already been told and retold. So we should probably give Guido some peace of mind until he officially accepts the PEP or whatever he decides.

-- Regards, Ivan

Last week I proposed to create a mailing list dedicated to discuss only the PEP 572, but nobody reacted to my idea (on python-commiters). Then Guido van Rossum announced his intent to approve it. So I am not sure if a mailing list is still needed if the PEP will be approved soon. Victor Le vendredi 6 juillet 2018, Antoine Pitrou a écrit :

I would gladly welcome a PEP 572-less development mailing-list.

Regards

Antoine.

On Fri, 6 Jul 2018 22:29:47 +0300 Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev wrote:

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On 06.07.2018 1:40, Guido van Rossum wrote:

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Thanks you for writing up a proposal. There have been many proposals made, including 'EXPR as NAME', similar to yours. It even has a small section in the PEP: https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0572/#alternative-spellings. It's really hard to choose between alternatives, but all things considered I have decided in favor of `NAME := EXPR` instead. Your efforts are appreciated but you would just be wasting your time if you wrote a PEP. If you're interested in helping out, would you be interested in working on the implementation of PEP 572?

Maybe we should call for subj? Not a day most probably, rather however much time is needed.

AFAICS, all the arguments have already been told and retold. So we should probably give Guido some peace of mind until he officially accepts the PEP or whatever he decides.

-- Regards, Ivan

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On July 6, 2018 5:04:05 PM Antoine Pitrou wrote:

(or contact the PEP's authors privately).

Hoenstly, this feels like a recipe for a disaster...

As for the other kinds of threads, as much as I dislike PEP 572, they are useless now.

Regards

Antoine.

On Fri, 6 Jul 2018 23:50:46 +0200 Victor Stinner wrote:

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Last week I proposed to create a mailing list dedicated to discuss only the PEP 572, but nobody reacted to my idea (on python-commiters). Then Guido van Rossum announced his intent to approve it. So I am not sure if a mailing list is still needed if the PEP will be approved soon.

Victor

Le vendredi 6 juillet 2018, Antoine Pitrou a écrit :

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I would gladly welcome a PEP 572-less development mailing-list.

Regards

Antoine.

On Fri, 6 Jul 2018 22:29:47 +0300 Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev wrote:

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On 06.07.2018 1:40, Guido van Rossum wrote:

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Thanks you for writing up a proposal. There have been many proposals made, including 'EXPR as NAME', similar to yours. It even has a small section in the PEP: https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0572/#alternative-spellings. It's really hard to choose between alternatives, but all things considered I have decided in favor of `NAME := EXPR` instead. Your efforts are appreciated but you would just be wasting your time if you wrote a PEP. If you're interested in helping out, would you be interested in working on the implementation of PEP 572?

Maybe we should call for subj? Not a day most probably, rather however much time is needed.

AFAICS, all the arguments have already been told and retold. So we should probably give Guido some peace of mind until he officially accepts the PEP or whatever he decides.

-- Regards, Ivan

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There has been off-list discussion with the authors, for sure. But most of the recent threads are disputes and not useful. At this point, if you're not helping clarify what’s in the PEP, you’re not helping by posting an opinion. But since we can’t possibly convince everyone not to post their opinions, perhaps all the rest of us (especially the PEP authors!) should abandon the list for a few days and let them shout it out :) Top-posted from my Windows 10 phone From: Steve Holden Sent: Friday, July 6, 2018 16:30 To: Ryan Gonzalez Cc: Antoine Pitrou; Python-Dev@Python. Org Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] A "day of silence" on PEP 572? On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:18 AM, Ryan Gonzalez wrote: On July 6, 2018 5:04:05 PM Antoine Pitrou wrote: (or contact the PEP's authors privately). Hoenstly, this feels like a recipe for a disaster... ​Many of the people who have strong opinions in this know the PEP authors from years of working together.​   ​They might feel that personal channels are appropriate.​ I'd agree it would be a bit presumptuous and spammy of others to use them.