Re: [Python-Dev] Removing IDLE from the standard library
Guido van Rossum wrote:
David Beazley wrote:
I would like to propose removing IDLE from the standard library.
-1000. From the Python training department, I would like to say that this would be a horrible idea.
Right. IDLE fits a niche. It's never going to be the world's best Python development environment but it isn't the worst either, and it's worth keeping around.
There clearly are *some* folks who care enough about IDLE to submit bug reports and fixes. How about we empower these people by giving at least one of them commit privileges? IDLE development has often been done by people who aren't otherwise contributing to the core, and we surely should trust those folks with commit privileges.
This would certainly be a great improvement on the current situation. However, I still think IDLE is not currently in a state that it should be suggested for use by beginners. - Tal Einat
On 7/11/10 7:31 AM, Tal Einat wrote:
However, I still think IDLE is not currently in a state that it should be suggested for use by beginners.
Being one of those beginners... here's my $0.02 worth. IDLE being instantly available on pretty much anything I care to try my hand at python on... my Macbook, my desktop PC, Linux (inside Virtualbox), or even via PortablePython on my usb thumb drive... is priceless. Wherever I go, it just works. The defaults are fairly reasonable and comfortable on the platforms I've used it on. I don't have all the sidebars and bottom bars and gizmos and gadgets in my way - just a shell to try things in, and a basic editor to write code in. That said... some documentation (i.e. with examples) of using some of the other features (debugger, class & path browsers, etc.) would be nice. I think I posted a while back that some basic niceties for the editor like line numbers and 'show whitespace' would make things a little handier for the newbies out there. Just reading through this thread, it seems like the problem seems to be those who know how to fix the problems or make the enhancements... generally have 'moved on' more advanced editors or IDEs, and those who use IDLE regularly are often those who lack the knowledge of how to do bug reports, etc. and probably would be very discouraged to see it untouched for extended periods. Not sure there's an easy reconciliation between the two. The idea of a plain 'release' version and a possible enhanced 'development' version does have some interest for me personally... especially if 1) it stays easy to install/use, and 2) the enhancements get regularly rolled into the release versions. YMMV, Monte
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