Lists placed into Emergency Moderation status
At the request of the list moderators of python-ideas and python-dev, both lists have been placed into emergency moderation mode. All new posts must be approved before landing on the list. When directed by the list moderators, this moderation will be disabled. -Ernest W. Durbin III Director of Infrastructure Python Software Foundation
[Ernest W. Durbin III <ernest@python.org>]
I do at least 99% of python-dev moderation actions, and this was news to me. I'm not going to reject anything Python-related based on whether I (or anyone else) agree(s) with its political spin. If that's what's wanted, please contact whichever python-dev moderator(s) did request this, and tell them the job of actually doing python-dev moderation is all theirs until this passes. Otherwise anything Python-related short of pure abuse will be approved. Seriously. I'm not going to reject sincere "you're a racist!" posts or "I know you are, but what am I?" posts. But I don't even know whether that's what this is about - all I've seen is some moderately heated discussion, none of which I would have rejected.
Reviewing, I may have misinterpreted the message from PSF Executive Director regarding the situation. It does appear that python-ideas moderators contacted postmaster@. Appears I misread a message saying “it looks like it’s happening on python-dev too” to mean that the request was for both lists. Should I disable moderation on python-dev? -Ernest On June 29, 2020 at 4:20:45 PM, Tim Peters (tim.peters@gmail.com) wrote: [Ernest W. Durbin III <ernest@python.org>]
I do at least 99% of python-dev moderation actions, and this was news to me. I'm not going to reject anything Python-related based on whether I (or anyone else) agree(s) with its political spin. If that's what's wanted, please contact whichever python-dev moderator(s) did request this, and tell them the job of actually doing python-dev moderation is all theirs until this passes. Otherwise anything Python-related short of pure abuse will be approved. Seriously. I'm not going to reject sincere "you're a racist!" posts or "I know you are, but what am I?" posts. But I don't even know whether that's what this is about - all I've seen is some moderately heated discussion, none of which I would have rejected.
[Ernest W. Durbin III <ernest@python.org>]
It depends on who you want to annoy least ;-) If it's the position of the PSF that some kind(s) of messages must be suppressed, then I'll need a more-or-less clear definition, from them, of what those consist of. At which point I'll agree to enforce them, or step down as a python-dev moderator. Otherwise, as I said, I've seen nothing on python-dev so far that I would have rejected. So all "emergency moderation status" is doing for python-dev so far is annoying me with more email to go approve messages waiting in the queue, and to annoy those messages' senders with delays (waiting for moderator action). So it's not, in reality, accomplishing anything of value here. So, if I were you, I'd disable emergency moderation status on python-dev. But then I'm old, retired, and notoriously pig-headed ;-)
On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:56 PM Tim Peters <tim.peters@gmail.com> wrote:
Just to clarify: this had nothing to do with the PSF, but with the Steering Council and the python-ideas moderators. We were discussing the PEP-8 "controversy" last night, after Titus (one of the python-ideas moderators) asked about putting *that* list in full moderation, and we talked about how the discussion had bled over into python-dev. We weren't clear among ourselves which lists we were talking about anymore when we asked Ernest to see about emergency moderation mode (which wasn't as easy as we would've expected), which is why Ernest did it for both lists. We should've been more careful about this, and looped in the python-dev moderators straight away. Sorry about that.
-- Thomas Wouters <thomas@python.org> Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread!
[Ernest W. Durbin III <ernest@python.org>]
[Tim Peters]
[Thomas Wouters <thomas@python.org>]
Just to clarify: this had nothing to do with the PSF, but with the Steering Council
My understanding is that the "PSF Executive Director" Ernest cited has nothing to do with the Steering Council, but with the PSF ;-) In any case, that's why I said "if it's the position of the PSF ...".
So it wasn't the PSF Executive Director. Regardless, same thing in the end to me: if someone who claims authority to do this wants to enforce some content suppression rules on python-dev, that's a business I'm very reluctant to get into, but can't judge without a clearer definition of what's out of bounds. I do OK with "spam" and "wholly off topic", but Python people telling each other their attitudes, beliefs, and/or behaviors are disgusting, unacceptable, evil ... strikes me as being a healthy (if unpleasant) family fight. I won't take a side on that in the moderation role.
to see about emergency moderation mode (which wasn't as easy as we would've expected),
To judge from the change I undid myself for python-dev, it appeared to amount to no more than putting ".*" in a regexp field to match all Subject lines. (To be clear, I undid this for python-dev; Ernest did not, so blame me - as the night wore on, I wanted to kill the change before I went to sleep, so people posting overnight (from my POV) wouldn't have to wait hours & hours for posts to go through.)
Not a real problem! Just another minor computer-related busy-work annoyance, in a life overflowing with such for decade after decade after decade ;-)
On June 30, 2020 at 11:05:06 AM, Tim Peters (tim.peters@gmail.com) wrote: [Thomas Wouters <thomas@python.org>]
Just to clarify: this had nothing to do with the PSF, but with the Steering Council
My understanding is that the "PSF Executive Director" Ernest cited has nothing to do with the Steering Council, but with the PSF ;-) In any case, that's why I said "if it's the position of the PSF ...". As PSF Staff, the SC isn’t responsible for directing me to do anything in particular. This is why Executive Director was involved at all, to convey their decision to me. I performed the configuration literally at my director's direction. -Ernest W. Durbin III
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