At 06:29 20.04.2004 -0400, Raymond Hettinger wrote:

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he's proposing an hack that would speed up CPython and slow down Jython (because it would result in a no-op but OTOH he would like to remove the code when some globals are bound to locals for speed reason. Of course that's not nice too but replacing a hack with another is just sort of a win. Honestly there are probably very convoluted ways to make this, in this form, a non no-op on Jython too, not that I would like to implement them or that Raymond cared).

Factually false on both counts.

I do care. Jython was a key design consideration from the beginning. Guido and I specifically went over the non-CPython implications before the PEP was submitted.

The no-op is automatic and makes bind_all equal to lambda *args, **kwds: 0. It is invoked only the first time a module is imported. The time difference is unmeasurably miniscule.

from the PEP """ The library contains code such as _len=len which is intended to create fast local references instead of slower global lookups. Though necessary for performance, these constructs clutter the code and are usually incomplete (missing many opportunities). If the proposal is adopted, those constructs could be eliminated from the code base and at the same time improve upon their results in terms of performance. """ if they are eliminated (_len = len), then CPython will win because of the binding at load time and the fact that time is not lost at each function call for binding them, Jython will loose something because if they were there, there was likely a reason.