
Hello everyone, for quite a while now, core discussions have moved to Discourse and people are obviously enjoying things there: https://discuss.python.org/c/core-dev/23 The Discourse mailing list mode works reasonably well, so is a suitable replacement for this mailing list. Posts to this list are now mostly spam, mailer error reports and the occasional release postings: https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/latest (you can't see much of the spam, since we filter most of it) Question: Should we retire and archive this mailing list ? (I'm asking as one of the maintainers of the ML) Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Experts (#1, Nov 13 2023)
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On 13.11.2023 16:47, Guido van Rossum wrote:
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On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 10:18, Marc-Andre Lemburg <mal@egenix.com> wrote:
Hi Marc-Andre, Maybe just require senders to be members of the python.org domain, and retain the release announcements? Kind regards, Steve PS: Your mail triggered a visit to https://www.python.org/community/lists/ - it seems it could use some updates. For example, comp.lang.python-announce is a news URL, which in this day and age will baffle most visitors! At the very least the page could point to the Discourse list.

On 14.11.2023 19:21, Steve Holden wrote:
Yes, the page could use some editing. c.l.p.a does have a corresponding ML associated with it. It's probably better to point to that instead of the newsgroup. If you have suggestions for edits, please forward them offline. I can then put them up there. Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Experts (#1, Nov 15 2023)
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On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 2:21 AM Marc-Andre Lemburg <mal@egenix.com> wrote:
Question: Should we retire and archive this mailing list ? (I'm asking as one of the maintainers of the ML)
+1 to retiring and archiving. Less overhead for maintainers and information concentrated at a single source, that is, discuss.python.org . Thanks, Senthil

Le 13/11/2023 à 11:17, Marc-Andre Lemburg a écrit :
Hello everyone,
Hello,
for quite a while now, core discussions have moved to Discourse and people are obviously enjoying things there: […]
Enjoying is a big word. I for one am more or less coping with it, using rss for now (read-only and with holes in discussions).
The Discourse mailing list mode works reasonably well, so is a suitable replacement for this mailing list.
It is not, as every user needs to waste time configuring category filters, which most won't do anyway. Those problems were discussed here some months ago, to no avail. Discourse is designed for logged-in reading with the web interface, everything else is second class citizen.
Posts to this list are now mostly spam, mailer error reports and the occasional release postings:
This is sadly the fact.
Question: Should we retire and archive this mailing list ? (I'm asking as one of the maintainers of the ML)
Indeed. Cheers, Baptiste

Hello everyone, the python-dev mailing list has now been put into read-only mode and archived. The discussions have moved on to Discourse. Please follow-up there: https://discuss.python.org/c/core-dev/23 Thanks to everyone who participated in discussions on this list over the years. The archives will remain available for reference and software archeologists: https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/ Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Experts (#1, Nov 25 2023)
Python Projects, Coaching and Support ... https://www.egenix.com/ Python Product Development ... https://consulting.egenix.com/
::: We implement business ideas - efficiently in both time and costs ::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 https://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ https://www.malemburg.com/ On 13.11.2023 11:17, Marc-Andre Lemburg wrote:

On 13.11.2023 16:47, Guido van Rossum wrote:
-- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Experts (#1, Nov 16 2023)
Python Projects, Coaching and Support ... https://www.egenix.com/ Python Product Development ... https://consulting.egenix.com/
::: We implement business ideas - efficiently in both time and costs ::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 https://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ https://www.malemburg.com/

On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 10:18, Marc-Andre Lemburg <mal@egenix.com> wrote:
Hi Marc-Andre, Maybe just require senders to be members of the python.org domain, and retain the release announcements? Kind regards, Steve PS: Your mail triggered a visit to https://www.python.org/community/lists/ - it seems it could use some updates. For example, comp.lang.python-announce is a news URL, which in this day and age will baffle most visitors! At the very least the page could point to the Discourse list.

On 14.11.2023 19:21, Steve Holden wrote:
Yes, the page could use some editing. c.l.p.a does have a corresponding ML associated with it. It's probably better to point to that instead of the newsgroup. If you have suggestions for edits, please forward them offline. I can then put them up there. Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Experts (#1, Nov 15 2023)
Python Projects, Coaching and Support ... https://www.egenix.com/ Python Product Development ... https://consulting.egenix.com/
::: We implement business ideas - efficiently in both time and costs ::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 https://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ https://www.malemburg.com/

On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 2:21 AM Marc-Andre Lemburg <mal@egenix.com> wrote:
Question: Should we retire and archive this mailing list ? (I'm asking as one of the maintainers of the ML)
+1 to retiring and archiving. Less overhead for maintainers and information concentrated at a single source, that is, discuss.python.org . Thanks, Senthil

Le 13/11/2023 à 11:17, Marc-Andre Lemburg a écrit :
Hello everyone,
Hello,
for quite a while now, core discussions have moved to Discourse and people are obviously enjoying things there: […]
Enjoying is a big word. I for one am more or less coping with it, using rss for now (read-only and with holes in discussions).
The Discourse mailing list mode works reasonably well, so is a suitable replacement for this mailing list.
It is not, as every user needs to waste time configuring category filters, which most won't do anyway. Those problems were discussed here some months ago, to no avail. Discourse is designed for logged-in reading with the web interface, everything else is second class citizen.
Posts to this list are now mostly spam, mailer error reports and the occasional release postings:
This is sadly the fact.
Question: Should we retire and archive this mailing list ? (I'm asking as one of the maintainers of the ML)
Indeed. Cheers, Baptiste

Hello everyone, the python-dev mailing list has now been put into read-only mode and archived. The discussions have moved on to Discourse. Please follow-up there: https://discuss.python.org/c/core-dev/23 Thanks to everyone who participated in discussions on this list over the years. The archives will remain available for reference and software archeologists: https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/ Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Experts (#1, Nov 25 2023)
Python Projects, Coaching and Support ... https://www.egenix.com/ Python Product Development ... https://consulting.egenix.com/
::: We implement business ideas - efficiently in both time and costs ::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 https://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ https://www.malemburg.com/ On 13.11.2023 11:17, Marc-Andre Lemburg wrote:
participants (7)
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Baptiste Carvello
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Barry Warsaw
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Eric V. Smith
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Guido van Rossum
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Marc-Andre Lemburg
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Senthil Kumaran
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Steve Holden