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well, see for yourself: http://www.pythonlabs.com/logos.html

We should explain that. I'll let Bob Weiner (BeOpen's CTO) do it instead, though, because he explained it well to us: <BOB> From: weiner@beopen.com Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 1:23 AM Just to clarify, the intent of these is for use by companies or individuals who choose on their own to link back to the PythonLabs site and show their support for BeOpen's work on Python. Use of any such branding is wholly voluntary, as you might expect. To clarify even further, we recognize and work with many wonderful parties who contribute to Python. We expect to continue to put out source releases called just `Python', and brand platform-specific releases which we produce and quality-assure ourselves as `BeOpen Python' releases. This is similar to what other companies do in the Linux space and other open source arenas. We know of another company branding their Python release; this helps potential customers differentiate offerings in the largely undifferentiated open source space. We believe it is important and we meet with companies every week who tell us they want one or more companies behind the development, productization and support of Python (like Red Hat or SuSE behind Linux). Connecting the BeOpen name to Python is one way in which we can help them know that we indeed do provide these services for Python. The BeOpen name was chosen very carefully to encourage people to take an open approach in their technology deployments, so we think this is a good association for Python to have and hope that many Python users will choose to help support these efforts. We're also very open to working with other Python-related firms to help build broader use and acceptance of Python. Mail <pythonlabs-info@beopen.com> if you'd like to work on a partnership together. </BOB> See? It's not evil. *All* American CTOs say "space" and "arena" too much, so don't gripe about that either. I can tell you that BeOpen isn't exactly getting rich off their Python support so far, wrestling with CNRI is exhausting in more ways than one, and Bob Weiner is a nice man. Up to this point, his support of PythonLabs has been purely philanthropic! If you appreciate that, you *might* even consider grabbing a link. [Thomas Wouters]

Oh, that reminds me, the FAQ needs adjusting ;) It still says: """ 1.2. Why is it called Python?

Apart from being a computer scientist, I'm also a fan of "Monty Python's Flying Circus" (a BBC comedy series from the seventies, in the -- unlikely -- case you didn't know). It occurred to me one day that I needed a name that was short, unique, and slightly mysterious. And I happened to be reading some scripts from the series at the time... So then I decided to call my language Python. But Python is not a joke. And don't you associate it with dangerous reptiles either! (If you need an icon, use an image of the 16-ton weight from the TV series or of a can of SPAM :-) """

Yes, that needs to be rewritten. Here you go: Apart from being a computer scientist, I'm also a fan of "Monty BeOpen Python's Flying Circus" (a BBC comedy series from the seventies, in the -- unlikely -- case you didn't know). It occurred to me one day that I needed a name that was short, unique, and slightly mysterious. And I happened to be reading some scripts from the series at the time... So then I decided to call my language BeOpen Python. But BeOpen Python is not a joke. And don't you associate it with dangerous reptiles either! (If you need an icon, use an image of the decidedly *friendly* BeOpen reptiles at http://www.pythonlabs.com/logos.html).

And while I'm at it, I hope I can say without offending anyone that I hope the logo is open for critisism.

You can hope all you like, and I doubt you're offending anyone, but the logo is nevertheless not open for criticism: the BDFL picked it Himself! Quoth Guido, "I think he's got a definite little smile going". Besides, if you don't like this logo, you're going to be sooooooooo disappointed when you get a PythonLabs T-shirt.

... I-still-like-the-shirt-though!-ly y'rs,

Good! In that case, I'm going to help you with your crusade after all: Hi! I'm a .signature virus! copy me into your .signature file to help me spread!

On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 10:17:33AM +0000, Peter Schneider-Kamp wrote:

[Tim]

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get a PythonLabs T-shirt.

[Thomas]

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I-still-like-the-shirt-though!-ly y'rs,

Okay, folks. What's the matter? I don't see any T-shirt references on http://pythonlabs.com. Where? How?

We were referring to the PythonLabs T-shirt that was given out (in limited numbers, I do believe, since my perl-hugging colleague only got me one, and couldn't get one for himself & the two python-learning colleagues *) at O'Reilly's Open Source Conference. It has the PythonLabs logo on front (the green snake, on a simple black background, in a white frame) with 'PYTHONLABS' underneath the logo, and on the back it says 'PYTHONLABS.COM' and 'There Is Only One Way To Do It.'. I'm sure they'll have some more at the next IPC ;) (* As a result, I can't wear this T-shirt to work, just like my X-Files T-shirt, for fear of being forced to leave without it ;) -- Thomas Wouters <thomas@xs4all.net> Hi! I'm a .signature virus! copy me into your .signature file to help me spread!