Hi, On 30 July 2018 at 22:19, Chris Barker via Python-Dev wrote:

Oh well. This is a serious usability issue -- but what can you do?

I think that argument clinic knows if the built-in function is supposed to be a method or a function. It doesn't look too hard to add a new flag METH_IS_METHOD or something, which would be taken in consideration in the common cases, and which can be added manually OR used automatically by argument clinic. This would not be a 100% solution out of the box, but if the new wording is right, it shouldn't be a problem. A bientôt, Armin.

On 08/01/2018 02:40 PM, Armin Rigo wrote:

I think that argument clinic knows if the built-in function is supposed to be a method or a function.

Yes, Argument Clinic knows.  Clinic's "Function" instances have a "cls" member, and if that's set to a Clinic "Class" instance--and it's not one of the special methods like new or init--then it's a normal method.

It doesn't look too hard to add a new flag METH_IS_METHOD or something, which would be taken in consideration in the common cases, and which can be added manually OR used automatically by argument clinic.

Yes, Clinic could easily automatically generate such a flag. //arry/