We need to get the tests for Python to be more stable so we can push out solid releases. In order to achieve this result, we need tests that are *100% reliable* and fail _only when there is a problem with Python_. While we aren't nearly as close to that goal as we need to be, we have to work towards it. The buildbots that have been more reliable are separated onto their own page: http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/stable/ This is the page that should be tracked by most people. This is the page we will use to determine if Python is ready for release. All green means the release is ready to ship. This page should *always* show all green. Any change that causes any buildbot to fail, should be immediately reverted. When you commit code, make sure to refresh the stable buildbot page to ensure you haven't broken anything. The stable buildbots need to represent all major platforms, at least Windows, Mac OSX, and Linux. All of those are currently represented on the page along with several others. Unfortunately some of the tests, particularly on Windows, are not passing. We need to get these in better shape. Please help out. See my other mail for details or use the link above to find the current set of problems. As we fix more tests and more platforms become stable, I will add them to the stable page. This requires restarting the server, so I plan to do this during quiet times when all the buildbot slaves are idle. n