Apparently hitting "Send" when I intended to hit "Save" to come back and edit the message further is also "intuitive", since it involved no conscious thought. Sorry about that. Aside from cleaning up or removing some of the unfinished paragraphs, one of the major points I intended to make is that just a few weeks ago we had someone on this list maintaining (if my recollection is correct) that the obscure, cryptic, pseudo-mathematical syntax of APL is "intuitive" and therefore much better than Python's syntax. He was apparently perfectly sincere in this opinion. I'm sticking to my conclusion: people misuse "intuitive" to the point that it is a meaningless term of approval or disapproval. If they like something, they claim it is "intuitive", and if they don't, it's "unintuitive". -- Steven