On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 1:35 PM Alex Hall <alex.mojaki@gmail.com> wrote:

So let's assume that a beginner is likely to notice arguments out of order and think that something is wrong, and focus on what happens from there. I think it's fair to say that the main concern is that they will have to look up and learn the syntax, and that is significant.

As far as beginners are concerned, yes, it's one more thing to learn of a already complex interface. But that's not my larger concen: I'm found that newbies often get confused about scope -- that "x" when you call a function is different than "x" in side that function, even though they may sometimes be the same name (same value).

And if we make it even easier, and more common, to implicitly use the same names, they will only be more confused.

Python has become much less of a newbie friendly language over the years, and that's fine, but I'd like it to be considered.

-CHB




 
But that (and anything else that happens during this time of initial confusion) is essentially an O(1) cost. The code and coders who use the syntax benefit from it for their lifetime, which is O(n).

Exactly what the benefits of the syntax are, I will have to leave that for another email...
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