Maybe it would help if you mention in which context you will benefit the most? If the python sub-community related to this context agree "?? and friends" is a good idea, then it will add weight to the proposal. Else, probably better to forget it. It seems related to JSON, but as I have never used it, it's a wild guess. Anyway, it's a special pattern with deep attribute hierarchies, whose traversal is shortcutted when one attribute happen to be None. This is common, with 2 exception: -it's rare it's really deep, or then it is arbitrarily deep and you need a procedural descent, not a fixed expression. -None break the descend, but then so does missing attributes. You address the first with special syntax. not the second, so I suspect in your case the second does not happen. Or rarely happen. Hope this will help finding why some finds the ? operators add little, while some others think they add enough to overcome python traditional operator-averse nature. On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 1:10:03 PM UTC+2, Steve Dower wrote:
On 23Jul2018 1145, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
Le 23/07/2018 à 12:38, Steve Dower a écrit :
General comment to everyone (not just Antoine): these arguments have zero value to me. Feel free to keep making them, but I am uninterested.
So you're uninterested in learning from past mistakes?
You sound like a child who thinks their demands should be satisfied because they are the center of the world.
Sorry if it came across like that, it wasn't the intention. A bit of context on why you think it's a mistake would have helped, but if it's a purely subjective "I don't like the look of it" (as most similar arguments have turned out) then it doesn't add anything to enhancing the PEP. As a result, I do not see any reason to engage with this class of argument.
I hope you'll also notice that I've been making very few demands in this thread, and have indicated a number of times that I'm very open to adjusting the proposal in the face of honest and useful feedback.
Cheers, Steve _______________________________________________ Python-ideas mailing list Python...@python.org <javascript:> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/