
On 3/1/2019 9:38 AM, INADA Naoki wrote:
Sorry, I'm not good at English enough to explain my mental model.
I meant no skip, no ignorance, no throw away.
In case of 1+2=3, both of 1 and 2 are not skipped, ignored or thrown away.
On the other hand, in case of {a:1, b:2}+{a:2}={a:2, b:2}, I feel {a:1} is skipped, ignored, or thrown away. I used "lost" to explain it.
And I used "lossless" for "there is no lost". Not for reversible.
If it isn't understandable to you, please ignore me.
I think Rémi’s comment is very similar to my thought. Merging mapping is more complex than concatenate sequence and it seems hard to call it "sum".
I understand Inada to be saying that each value on the LHS (as shown above) affects the result on the RHS. That's the case with addition of ints and other types, but not so with the proposed dict addition. As he says, the {a:1} doesn't affect the result. The result would be the same if this key wasn't present in the first dict, or if the key had a different value. This doesn't bother me, personally. I'm just trying to clarify. Eric
Regards,
2019年3月1日(金) 23:19 Ivan Levkivskyi <levkivskyi@gmail.com <mailto:levkivskyi@gmail.com>>:
On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 13:48, INADA Naoki <songofacandy@gmail.com <mailto:songofacandy@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > Is that an invariant you expect to apply to other uses of the + > operator? > > py> x = -1 > py> x <= (x + x) > False > > py> [999] <= ([1, 2, 3] + [999]) > False >
Please calm down. I meant each type implements "sum" in semantics of the type, in lossless way. What "lossless" means is changed by the semantics of the type.
-1 + -1 = -2 is sum in numerical semantics. There are no loss.
TBH I don't understand what is lossless about numeric addition. What is the definition of lossless? Clearly some information is lost, since you can't uniquely restore two numbers you add from the result.
Unless you define what lossless means, there will be just more misunderstandings.
-- Ivan
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