On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 5:00 AM, Jelte Fennema <me@jeltef.nl> wrote:
> Another option would be that this syntax would not represent a list of
> tuples but an OrderedDict. I think they both have their advantages, the list
> of tuples would allow list operations such as `+ items` as you suggested and
> usage of the same keys multiple times. But OrderedDict would allow simple
> indexing directly. But it does not really matter that much since both could
> easily be used to generate the other. OrderedDict(['1':'2']) and
> list(['1':'2'].items()) respectively.
>
> I think the main case for the list of tuples is actually that you can make
> any OrderedDict from a list of tuples, but not the other way around, since
> duplicate keys would be removed. Which is why I like your idea for a
> shorthand for a list of tuples better, since it covers more uses.
>
> One important thing to note is the discussion I already mentioned in my
> first email. Especially this message where guide votes -100 for your syntax
> for OrderedDict creation:
> https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/2009-June/004924.html
>
> I'm not sure why he disliked that syntax and if he still does. Or if his
> thoughts are different when it would represent a list of tuples instead of
> an OrderedDict.

I also wonder why he doesn't like it. I wouldn't like it if it
represented a list of tuples.

What we have is:
- [a, b, c] -> list = [ordered, mutable, collection]
- {a, b, c} -> set = [unordered, mutable, collection, uniquekeys]
- {a:x, b:y, c:z} -> dict = [unordered, mutable, mapping, uniquekeys]
- (a, b, c) -> tuple = [ordered, immutable, collection]

It seems to me that the pattern would extend to:
- [a:x, b:y, c:z] -> [ordered, mutable, mapping]
- (a:x, b:y, c:z) -> [ordered, immutable, mapping]

The first one is ALMOST OrderedDict, except that it has unique keys.
The second is ALMOST namedtuple, except that it:
- doesn't allow duplicate keys
- doesn't allow indexing by keys (though this can change)
- doesn't allow arbitrary key type (and we don't want ints allowed as keys)
- needs a name and a type

If we add the rule that a mapping literal's type should have unique
keys, then [a:x] -> OrderedDict fits the pattern. But [a:x] => [(a,x)]
doesn't.

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