On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 6:38 PM, Chris Angelico firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 5:47 PM, Michel Desmoulin email@example.com wrote:
Make pip and venv part of the standard and request debian that they provide it.
Pros: straight forward.
Cons: holy war in the making.
If this would really cause such back-lash, how about: Make pip and venv part of the standard, but permit them to be omitted from "python3" as long as there is a "python3-full" package that will drag them in. Several other packages are split up like that.
Pros: Only slightly less straight-forward, and hopefully incites only a small war.
Cons: What does "full" really mean? Does it require a GUI subsystem, for instance (as a dep of tkinter)? Might just shift the problem. OTOH, the sorts of people who run non-graphical Linuxes are usually going to be comfortable installing python3-pip explicitly, so maybe it's doable.
Oh, forgot to give a clear opinion: Even if the compromise isn't viable, I am still +1 on auto-installing pip. There's already a python3-minimal package for people who want "just the interpreter, please" installs.