On 11 Aug 2013 19:20, "Ben Finney" <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> wrote:
"Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org> writes:
Ben Finney writes:
Normal people are also those who want to avoid the requirement for reading and signing a legal document assigning special rights to the PSF, just to propose a fix.
Ben, you are welcome to dislike signing CAs, but please stop spreading FUD about the PSF's CA.
My claim is factual, not FUD, and is entailed within the terms of the contributor agreement.
The rights explicitly specified in the CA actually constitute *restrictions* on the PSF compared to the rights granted by the licenses themselves.
The contributor agreement grants to PSF the unilateral power to redistribute the contribution under “any other open source license approved by [the PSF]”, a power not granted to other recipients of the contribution. So yes, it arrogates special rights to the PSF.
Does this make the PSF awful? No, of course not. But I can't pretend it is acceptable to grant special terms to one party in the community.
We don't do it for fun - we do it because we don't have the right to relicense some of the previously donated source code, and don't want to spend the lawyer time needed to determine if we can get by without those relicensing rights for new contributions while complying with those existing obligations. People that care about this can either offer to fund the lawyer time to figure out if ALv2 contributions could be accepted without relicensing rights, or accept that Python's complex licensing history means that contributions on a "licence in = licence out" basis are not currently considered feasible, and that a desire to contribute solely to projects with pristine licensing histories is currently incompatible with a desire to contribute directly to CPython. It's a pretty simple choice, and I consider it very poor form to use freely provided PSF communication channels to lobby against a licensing model the PSF believes it is legally obliged to use (choosing not to contribute directly yourself is a different story, as that's an individual ethical decision). Regards, Nick.
Antoine Pitrou <solipsis@pitrou.net> writes:
On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 11:25:41 +1000 Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> wrote:
Normal people are also those who want to avoid the requirement for reading and signing a legal document assigning special rights to the PSF, just to propose a fix.
I don't think we ask for a CLA when someone submits a 10-line patch.
Not true, at least in my experience. I have been asked to submit a contributor agreement for small patches to the documentation. Since I cannot in good conscience accept the PSF's requirements, they reject such contributions even under an acceptable all-parties-equal license.
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