On 11/1/2017 3:06 AM, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 11/1/2017 1:25 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
On 1 November 2017 at 08:50, Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu <mailto:tjreedy@udel.edu>> wrote:
In April 2016, after posting the idea to pydev list and getting 'go ahead's from Nick Coughlin and someone else, with no negatives, I approved Upendra Kumar's GSOC proposal to write a pip gui. This was https://bugs.python.org/issue27051 <https://bugs.python.org/issue27051>. On June 20, Ned Deily and Nick Coughlin vetoed adding a pip gui anywhere in the stdlib since it depended on something not in the stdlib, and perhaps for other reasons I don't fully understand.
Clarifying the objection here (since the linked issue is a fairly long one): what I'm against is tightly coupling the pip-gui development & release process to the CPython development & release process when we don't have any compelling reason to do so.
Thank you for clarifying. This is a reason that I did not understand ;-).
Given an independently released pip-gui on PyPI (with its own version numbering and release cadence), then I'd be +1 on bundling that as an optional IDLE addon, ensurepip style.
I already agree in my second response on this thread that pip gui should be on pypi.
A pip gui would be a pip add-on, not an IDLE add-on, just as turtledemo is a turtle add-on even though one can invoke it from the IDLE menu -- as long as turtle and turtledemo are installed.
Issue 27051, write pip gui, is properly a separate issue from https://bugs.python.org/issue23551, start a pip gui, if and when available, from IDLE menu. I am against 'tightly coupling' something to IDLE when there is 'no compelling reason to do so'.
When pip installs a package into site_packages, does it at any point run package-specific installation code? setup.py? More specifically, can pip install an IDLE extension. If so, I think installing pipgui should add 'x_pipgui.py' to idlelib, if it exists, and add a section to idlelib/config-extension.def. Using the existing extension mechanism would be an alternative to patching IDLE to conditionally add pipgui to some menu. -- Terry Jan Reedy