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I'm in the middle of moving, so I'm not planning to take this any farther than this email unless someone explicitly brings up an issue by emailing Python-ideas-owner where Titus can help anyone out. On Wed, Dec 20, 2017, 16:11 Steven D'Aprano, <steve@pearwood.info> wrote:
On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 03:55:01PM -0500, Franklin? Lee wrote:
Wow, that's way too aggressive for this list.
I personally disagree as I didn't read anything from Steven as aggressive in his response. I think a better response would have been, "I don't think you mean for what you said to be portrayed as aggressive, but I read <blank> as if you were saying <blank>". Otherwise to me it comes off as dealing with aggression with aggression.
Hair-trigger sensitivity to "aggressiveness" is itself a form of aggression, because it leads to unfair accusations of aggressiveness and other over-reactions, and forces people to "walk on eggshells" rather than say what they are actually thinking.
I also disagree with this. 😄 Any form of aggression isn't really necessary to appropriately communicate an idea or viewpoint, so taking some time to consider how you phrase something so it doesn't come off as aggressive to people in general is a good thing. Given a choice between allowing occasional aggression so that some don't feel they have to be careful in their phrasing "just in case" compared to people having to take extra time in their response to avoid aggression, I always go with the latter. For me, any extra effort to be courteous is worth it.
Remember that tone of voice doesn't communicate well across email. You should always read email and give the writer the benefit of the doubt: "if I were face to face with this person, and could see relaxed posture and a smile, or hear a friendly tone of voice, would I still think this was aggressive?"
This I do agree with. Give people the benefit of the doubt, and if you want you can kindly inform the person how you could have interpreted what they said as aggressive and why you thought that. This gives people a chance to explain what they actually meant and for people to potentially apologize for the misunderstanding. -Brett
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