On Sat, Feb 02, 2019 at 07:37:56PM -0500, Terry Reedy
On 2/2/2019 8:13 AM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
IDLE does this.
For the question "Does Python REPL need more batteries?" is your answer "No, just point people to IDLE"?
If one want these batteries *today*, that is one sane answer, especially on Windows and, it seems so far, Mac.
If it is - well, I disagree. I implemented a lot of enhancements for REPL myself, and I don't like and avoid GUI programs.
Whereas, in spite of (or perhaps because of) possibly being older than you,
Oh, "my beard is longer than your" game! :-))) I'm 51 y.o. But I always was like that. When all sane people were switching from DOS to Windows 3.0 I switched to Unix. First, BSD/OS, later SunOS, later FreeBSD, after that Linux, Linux, Linux. At DOS times I was writing huge .bat-files using all possible tools I can collect in pre-Internet era. Small utilities, alternative command line interpreters (4DOS), .bat compilers (turbobat). I tolerated TUI but hated GUI even then. Switching to shell scripting was pretty natural for me with awk/find/grep/sed/etc replacing all those tools.
Anti-GUI attitudes make Python harder to use for many people. Pip, for instance, desperately needs a GUI front end.
For me it's hard to believe ``pip`` needs any UI. I run ``pip`` in command line, in scripts and at remote servers, often completely unattended (Travis CI and AppVeyor, e.g.) I don't see how I'd use an UI.
I believe that PIP problems are the most common Python question on StackOverflow.
Problems - yes. But not because it lacks an UI. I read SO every day for a few years now and answer questions every few days. I don't remember people ever asked about any UI for pip. pip problems, as far as I can recollect the problems, are: * SSL; recently pypi.org and github.com switched to TLS1.2-only and the change broke a lot of sites where people still run CentOS 5 and other old Python versions without any possibility of upgrading. * A few pythons at the host: run ``pip install module``, ``import module``, got ``ImportError/NoModuleFoundError`` because ``pip`` and ``import`` are ran with 2 different pythons. * Incompatible upgrades: ``pip`` was upgraded but the user didn't get that it was ``/usr/bin/pip`` that was upgraded and ``/usr/local/bin/pip`` is now outdated but is found first in ``$PATH``. Hence the error ``AttributeError: main``. * The absence of a compiler on Windows (or a wrong version of it) to install a C extension without a binary wheel. * Offline installation. Downloading binary wheels for a different platform (different from the host where ``pip`` is running).
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