So you're saying we should prefer a future where it's an inconsistent mess?
No. And please don't straw man. It's a very annoying argumentative tactic. I prefer a future where all caps aren't used. I understand that the change I propose won't magically transport us there, but I don't think it justifies encouraging all caps. As it is, the mix of all caps, camel-case, and snake-case IS and inconsistent and visual mess. Discouraging all caps will only result in a diminishing occurrence of all caps.

it's.more important to have a standard than what that standard is. And we do have a strong standard today.
I understand that there's a barrier to change, but there's also a circular logic to resisting change because adhering to a standard is good.

How bad would it really be to remove the line about constants being all caps from PEP-8?

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 2:55 PM Anders Hovmöller <boxed@killingar.net> wrote:
So you're saying we should prefer a future where it's an inconsistent mess? I agree with you that the C standard is ugly but it's.more important to have a standard than what that standard is. And we do have a strong standard today. 

-1 from me

/ Anders 

On 4 Jan 2019, at 20:01, Abe Dillon <abedillon@gmail.com> wrote:

I keep coming back to this great video about coding style, and one point in particular rings true to me: ALL_CAPS_IS_OBNOXIOUS

It destroys the visual flow of code and for what? To signify a global, constant, or Enum? Is that really so important? I don't think so. I think the all caps style has out-lived its usefulness and needs to go the way of the dodo.

The last time I saw all caps used appropriately was in a YouTube comment where some guy was ranting about the communist Jewish banker conspiracy to control the world. In that case, all caps clearly communicated to me that the person was a frothing lunatic (thought find the idea of communist bankers intriguing).

Currently PEP-8 prescribes all caps for constants and uses the all cap variable "FILES" as an example in a different section. It also appears to be the defacto-standard for enums (based on the documentation)

I don't think it's necessary to make any breaking changes. Just pep-8 and (of less importance) spurious documentation examples.
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