On 2022-02-20 17:56, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> Gerrit Holl writes:
>
>   > If voting is limited to a select group (which could be as small as
>   > Python core developers, or as large as anyone who has ever had a pull
>   > request merged into cpython, or something in-between), then a vote
>   > could be a way to measure opinions after a lengthy discussion fails to
>   > reach a consensus.
>
> I'm not sure what the benefit of "measuring opinions" is supposed to
> be, when those opinions don't bring real resources with them, and few
> of them are informed beyond "sounds cool" and "YAGNI".  If a
> discussion fails to reach consensus, human brains do OK at holding a
> fairly detailed summary of it, including who held what opinion when
> discussion ended -- far more informative than the result of a vote.
>
> What a vote can do for you is make an up or down decision, or choose
> among alternatives.  But from the project's point of view, these
> decisions are rarely pressing (except maybe security fixes, and those
> are not going to be discussed publicly, let alone put to a general
> vote!)  If an issue is still controversial after a long discussion,
> it's usually because there are competing interests in play, and
> somebody has to lose something they want.  In those cases, it's almost
> always best to table it, and see if any technical progress is made on
> reconciling differences about the issue over the next release cycle.
>
> Sure, tabling issues frustrates non-committer proponents (who are also
> usually the proponents of voting schemes, what a coincidence!), but
> that's normally better than frustrating committers who are against it.
>
FYI, the verb "to table" has different meanings in US and UK English. In
US English it means to remove from discussion, whereas in UK English it
means to propose for discussion, which is the opposite. On a list that
has an international reach, it's probably best to avoid the verb altogether.
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