On 15 November 2017 at 22:46, Michel Desmoulin <desmoulinmichel@gmail.com> wrote:

Le 13/11/2017 à 19:57, Chris Barker a écrit :
> 3) Make --user be be automatic for pip install. Not actually the
> default, but pip could do a user install if you don't have the
> permissions for a non-user install.

Breaking compat ? Not sure people will accept.

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Should I do a PEP with a summary of all the stuff we discussed ?

I think a Windows-specific PEP covering adding PATH updates back to the default installer behaviour, and adding pythonX and pythonX.Y commands would be useful (and Guido would presumably delegate resolving that to Steve Dower as the Windows installer maintainer).

The one thing I'd ask is that any such PEP *not* advocate for promoting ther variants as the preferred way of invoking Python on Windows - rather, they should be positioned as a way of making online instructions written for Linux more likely to "just work" for folks on Windows (similar to the utf-8 encoding changes in https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0529/)

Instead, the focus should be on ensuring the "python -m pip install" and "pip install" both work after clicking through the installer without changing any settings, and devising a troubleshooting guide to help folks that are familiar with computers and Python, but perhaps not with Windows, guide folks to a properly working environment.

Cheers,

Nick.