On Mon, 7 Mar 2022 at 23:44, Chris Angelico email@example.com wrote:
Not ALL typing changes are just new things in typing.py, so that doesn't cover everything. And yes, I am sure that a lot of things get proposed and not implemented - my point is that typing-sig is successfully finding the good ideas and refining them into actual code, but python-ideas is 100% shooting ideas to pieces.
Bikeshed problem. I barely understand most of the proposals on typing-sig, whereas *everyone* knows what "for..in..if" means (and hence has an opinion).
Add to that the fact that the framing of many proposals on python-ideas feels like "here's a neat idea, why doesn't someone (not me) implement it", whereas proposals on typing-sig generally seem to involve an interested party doing a *lot* of work up front, and then summarising that in a proposal, and it's not hard to see why python-ideas is both more accessible for people proposing incompletely thought through ideas, and more hostile towards them...
To put it another way, if the culture on python-ideas expected people to do as much up-front work on a proposal as typing-sig seems to (from my experience, at least), there would be far fewer ideas on here, but they would be a lot better, and would be much more likely to be successful.