Most of the real decisions are actually taken
outside of it, with more direct channels in the small groups of
contributors.
> Is that really an issue here? I personally haven't seen threads where
> Brett tried to stop an active discussion, but people ignored him and
> kept fighting.
Not personally with Brett, but I have seen multiple people try to stop the “reword or remove beautiful is better than ugly in Zen of Python.” The discussion was going in circles and evolved into attacking each other’s use of logical fallacies.Other than that, my biggest issues with the current mailing system are:
* There’s no way to keep a updated proposal of your own- if you decide to change your proposal, you have to communicate the change. Then, if you want to find the authoritative current copy, since you might’ve forgotten or you want to join he current discussion, then you have to dig through the emails and recursively apply the proposed change. It’s just easier if people can have one proposal they can edit themselves.
* I’ve seen experienced people get confused about what was the current proposal because they were replying to older emails or they didn’t see the email with the clear examples.
* The mailing list is frankly obscure. Python community leaders and package maintainers often are not aware or do not participate in Python-ideas. Not many people know how to use or navigate a mailing list.
* No one really promotes the mailing list, you have to go out of your way to find where new features are proposed.
* Higher discoverability means more people can participate, providing their own use cases or voting (I mean using like or dislike measures, consensus should still be how things are approved) go out of their way to find so they can propose something. Instead, I envision a forum where people can read and give their 2 cents about what features they might like to see or might not want to see.
* More people means instead of having to make decisions from sometimes subjective personal experience, we can make decisions with confidence in what other Python devs want.Since potential proposers will find it easier to navigate a GUI forum, they can read previous discussions to understand the reasoning, precedent behind rejected and successful features. People proposing things that have already been rejected before can be directed to open a subtopic on the older discussion.
> On Sep 18, 2018, at 3:19 PM, python-ideas-request@python.
org wrote:
>
> Is that really an issue here? I personally haven't seen threads where
> Brett tried to stop an active discussion, but people ignored him and
> kept fighting.
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