On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Guido van Rossum <guido@python.org> wrote:

But does it let you use any Windows APIs?

On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 9:09 AM, Brett Cannon <brett@python.org> wrote:
> Go is available for Windows: http://golang.org/doc/install#windows
>
> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Guido van Rossum <guido@python.org> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the pointer to and description of libuv; it had come up in
>> my research yet but so far I have not looked it up actively. Now I
>> will. Also thanks for your reminder of the Goroutine model -- this is
>> definitely something to look at for inspiration as well. (Though does
>> Go run on Windows? Or is it part of a secret anti-Microsoft plan? :-)
>>
>> --Guido
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 12:19 AM, Benoit Chesneau <benoitc@gunicorn.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > On Oct 22, 2012, at 4:59 PM, Guido van Rossum <guido@python.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Steve Dower
>> >> <Steve.Dower@microsoft.com> wrote:
>> >> [Stuff about Futures and threads]
>> >>
>> >> Personally, I'm interested in designing a system, including an event
>> >> loop, where you can rely on the properties of cooperative scheduling
>> >> to avoid ever touching (OS) threading locks. I think such a system
>> >> should be "pure" and all interaction with threads should be mediated
>> >> by the event loop. (It's okay if this means that the implementation of
>> >> the event loop must at some point acquire a threading lock.) The
>> >> Futures used by the tasks to coordinate amongst themselves should not
>> >> require locking -- they should themselves be able to rely on the
>> >> guarantees of the event loop not to invoke multiple callbacks in
>> >> parallel.
>> >>
>> >> IIUC you can do this on Windows with IOCP too, simply by only having a
>> >> single thread reading events.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Maybe it is worth to have a look on libuv and the way it mixes threads
>> > and  and event loop [1]. Libuv is one of the good event loop around able to
>> > use IOCP and other events systems on other arch (kqueue, …) and I was
>> > thinking when reading all the exchange around that it would perfectly fit in
>> > our cases. Or at least something like it:
>> >
>> > - It provides a common api for IO watchers: read, write, writelines,
>> > readable, writeable that can probably be extend over remote systems
>> > - Have a job queue system for threds that is working mostly like the
>> > Futures but using the event loop
>> >
>> > In any case there is a pyuv binding [2] if some want to test. Even a
>> > twisted reactor [3]
>> >
>> > I myself toying with the idea of porting the Go concurrency model to
>> > Python [4] using greenlets and pyuv. Both the scheduler and the way IOs are
>> > handled:
>> >
>> > - In Go all coroutines are independent from each others and can only
>> > communicate via channel. Which has the advantage to allows them to run on
>> > different threads when one is blocking. In normal case they are mostly
>> > working like grrenlets on a single thread and are simply scheduled in a
>> > round-robin way. (mostly like in stackless). On the difference that
>> > goroutines can be executed in parallel. When one is blocking another thread
>> > will be created to handle other goroutines in the runnable queue.
>> >
>> > - For I/Os it exists a common api to all Connections and Listeners (Conn
>> > & Listen classes) that generally ask on a poll server. This poll server has
>> > for only task to register FDs and wake up the groutines that wait on read or
>> > fd events. This this poll server is running in a blocking loop it is
>> > automatically let by the scheduler in a thread. This pol server could be
>> > likely be replaced by an event loop if someone want.
>> >
>> > In my opinion the Go concurrency & memory model [5] could perfectly fit
>> > in the Python world and I'm surprised none already spoke about it.
>> >
>> > In flower greenlets could probably be replaced by generators but i like
>> > the API proposed by any coroutine pattern. I wonder if continulets [6]
>> > couldn't be ported in cpython to handle that…
>> >
>> > - benoît
>> >
>> >
>> > [1] http://nikhilm.github.com/uvbook/threads.html &
>> > http://github.com/joyent/libuv
>> > [2] https://github.com/saghul/pyuv
>> > [3] https://github.com/saghul/twisted-pyuv
>> > [4] https://github.com/benoitc/flower
>> > [5] http://golang.org/ref/mem
>> > [6] http://doc.pypy.org/en/latest/stackless.html#continulets
>>
>>
>>
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