On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 at 10:39, Jelle Zijlstra <jelle.zijlstra@gmail.com> wrote:
El lun, 7 mar 2022 a las 15:35, Chris Angelico (<rosuav@gmail.com>) escribió:
On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 at 10:20, Brendan Barnwell <brenbarn@brenbarn.net> wrote:
On 2022-03-06 14:43, Chris Angelico wrote:
This keeps happening. All the successful ideas seem to happen elsewhere, notably on typing-sig.
You seem to see that as a positive thing, but I would be happier if fewer typing-related changes made it in.
I'm not sure whether it's positive or not. All I can see is that changes get proposed on typing-sig and actually make it into the language, but changes that get proposed on python-ideas are invariably shot down in flames, no matter how good or bad. I do NOT believe that every idea on typing-sig is good and that every idea on python-ideas is bad, so what is it that makes typing-sig actually successful in refining ideas into usable form that python-ideas is failing at?
An important point here is that most typing changes aren't language changes, but just new things added to typing.py. Getting a library function changed or added is a lot easier than adding new syntax. Besides, typing is much younger than the language, so there is more remaining opportunity for useful additions. And there are plenty of ideas that get proposed around typing that don't make it to PEPs.
Not ALL typing changes are just new things in typing.py, so that doesn't cover everything. And yes, I am sure that a lot of things get proposed and not implemented - my point is that typing-sig is successfully finding the good ideas and refining them into actual code, but python-ideas is 100% shooting ideas to pieces. ChrisA