On Nov 14, 2017 02:39, "Chris Angelico" <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 5:47 PM, Michel Desmoulin
<desmoulinmichel@gmail.com> wrote:
> Proposal B:
> ------------
>
> Make pip and venv part of the standard and request debian that they
> provide it.
>
> Pros: straight forward.
>
> Cons: holy war in the making.

Cons: What does "full" really mean? Does it require a GUI subsystem,
for instance (as a dep of tkinter)? Might just shift the problem.

The solution a lot of other Linux distributions use is to have a "python(2|3)-base" package that pulls in just the minimal runtime environment and have the regular "python(2|3)" package gives the full upstream python install. Things like tk bindings and pip tend to be separate packages the normal install depends on.

"Minimal", if I understand it correctly, is the python(2|3) executable and any module not needing external dependencies, and "full" is everything upstream provides.