On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 3:30 AM, Mark E. Haase <mehaase@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 9:22 PM, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
For what it's worth, I'm in favour of Steven's "too negative" approach - or rather, I don't think his style is too negative. Yes, it's a bit rough and uncomfortable to be on the receiving end of it, but it's exactly correct. All three of the statements you quote are either provably true from the emails in this thread, or are at least plausible. If you think he's wrong to say them, *say so*, and ask him to justify them.
Perhaps what we need is a "falsehoods programmers believe about python-ideas" collection. I'll start it:
* All ideas are worthy of respect. * My use-case is enough justification for adding something to the language. * Criticism is bad. Ideas should be welcomed just because they're ideas. ...snip...
I don't think Ken actually made any of the false assumptions you've listed here, so it's a bit harsh to post that list in this thread. This list is for "speculative language ideas" and "discussion". Ken has met that standard.
The topic of tone is interesting, and a broader discussion of how to use python-ideas for newcomers and regulars alike is probably overdue, just not in this thread.
I didn't intend to imply that any one person had made any particular assumptions. But if a list like this could be published somewhere, it would help people to realise what they're unintentionally implying. ChrisA