startswith() and endswith() methods returning the matched value
This is a proposal to change the behaviour of the startswith() and endswith() methods for str, bytes and bytearray objects, making them return the matched value instead of the True boolean. Here a str example with the endswith() method: domain = "python.org" if domain.endswith(".fr"): print(".fr") elif domain.endswith(".com"): print(".com") elif domain.endswith("org"): print(".org") With the ".org" non-empty str returned by the endswith() method instead of the True boolean, the above code will work in the same manner; moreover as startswith() and endswith() methods support a tuple as argument, and as the PEP 572 walrus operator is supported since Python 3.8, we can now write this code in a more compact and pythonic way: if suffix := domain.endswith((".fr", ".com", ".org"): print(suffix) As the PEP 616 new methods removeprefix() and removesuffix() don't support a tuple as argument, it will provide a nice and pythonic way to do it: if suffix := domain.endswith((".fr", ".com", ".org"): print(domain[:-len(suffix)]) Hope I don't miss something obvious and that this proposal could interest some people. Best regards Florent
On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 1:42 PM <fgallaire@gmail.com> wrote:
This is a proposal to change the behaviour of the startswith() and endswith() methods for str, bytes and bytearray objects, making them return the matched value instead of the True boolean.
Unfortunately this would break backward compatibility, since it's currently guaranteed that they return precisely True or False, and that can be used (eg) for indexing. To maintain that, you'd have to create new methods which return the matched value or None (and can then define startswith/endswith as the boolification of that). For instance: domain.findsuffix((".fr", ".com", ".org")) ChrisA
that can be used (eg) for indexing
Even without it being used in as complicated a way as that it's *still* not backward compatible because of the trivial case, as foo.endswith("") is True. On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 11:55 PM Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 1:42 PM <fgallaire@gmail.com> wrote:
This is a proposal to change the behaviour of the startswith() and endswith() methods for str, bytes and bytearray objects, making them return the matched value instead of the True boolean.
Unfortunately this would break backward compatibility, since it's currently guaranteed that they return precisely True or False, and that can be used (eg) for indexing. To maintain that, you'd have to create new methods which return the matched value or None (and can then define startswith/endswith as the boolification of that). For instance:
domain.findsuffix((".fr", ".com", ".org"))
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On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 10:32 PM Samuel Freilich <sfreilich@google.com> wrote:
that can be used (eg) for indexing
Even without it being used in as complicated a way as that it's still not backward compatible because of the trivial case, as foo.endswith("") is True.
I was talking specifically about the original, which can be depended upon to return True or False. Changing the return value would break anything that depends on that. Not sure what you're referring to. ChrisA
On 2021-08-09 23:57:42, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 10:32 PM Samuel Freilich <sfreilich@google.com> wrote:
Even without it being used in as complicated a way as that it's still not backward compatible because of the trivial case, as foo.endswith("") is True.
I was talking specifically about the original, which can be depended upon to return True or False. Changing the return value would break anything that depends on that.
Not sure what you're referring to.
I think this is the problem:
"str".endswith("") is True True "" is True <stdin>:1: SyntaxWarning: "is" with a literal. Did you mean "=="? False
Even if you use the return value as a bool, it will flip the result.
On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 12:03 AM Simão Afonso <simao.afonso@powertools-tech.com> wrote:
On 2021-08-09 23:57:42, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 10:32 PM Samuel Freilich <sfreilich@google.com> wrote:
Even without it being used in as complicated a way as that it's still not backward compatible because of the trivial case, as foo.endswith("") is True.
I was talking specifically about the original, which can be depended upon to return True or False. Changing the return value would break anything that depends on that.
Not sure what you're referring to.
I think this is the problem:
"str".endswith("") is True True "" is True <stdin>:1: SyntaxWarning: "is" with a literal. Did you mean "=="? False
Even if you use the return value as a bool, it will flip the result.
Yep, that's also a problem, but I don't understand why my comment about "can be used eg for indexing" was being quoted for context there. I was talking about how you could do something like this: protocol = ("ws:", "wss:")[url.startswith("https:")] If the return value changes, this breaks. ChrisA
I was just saying that using the bool return value as an index is a bit obscure, compared to using it as a condition in an if statement. But even in the more common use, returning the matched string is still a chance in behavior. On Mon, Aug 9, 2021, 10:13 AM Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 12:03 AM Simão Afonso <simao.afonso@powertools-tech.com> wrote:
On 2021-08-09 23:57:42, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 10:32 PM Samuel Freilich <sfreilich@google.com>
wrote:
Even without it being used in as complicated a way as that it's still not backward compatible because of the trivial case, as foo.endswith("") is True.
I was talking specifically about the original, which can be depended upon to return True or False. Changing the return value would break anything that depends on that.
Not sure what you're referring to.
I think this is the problem:
"str".endswith("") is True True "" is True <stdin>:1: SyntaxWarning: "is" with a literal. Did you mean "=="? False
Even if you use the return value as a bool, it will flip the result.
Yep, that's also a problem, but I don't understand why my comment about "can be used eg for indexing" was being quoted for context there. I was talking about how you could do something like this:
protocol = ("ws:", "wss:")[url.startswith("https:")]
If the return value changes, this breaks.
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Two possibilities: 1) the perfectly backward compatible, retrun False 2) the more pythonic, return the empty value of the object (i.e. "" for str)
On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 12:08 AM <fgallaire@gmail.com> wrote:
Two possibilities:
1) the perfectly backward compatible, retrun False 2) the more pythonic, return the empty value of the object (i.e. "" for str)
Please quote the person you're responding to, for context. Were you replying to Serhiy? ChrisA
Excuse me, I wrote this answer from the web interface. Florent Le lun. 9 août 2021 à 16:16, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> a écrit :
On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 12:08 AM <fgallaire@gmail.com> wrote:
Two possibilities:
1) the perfectly backward compatible, retrun False 2) the more pythonic, return the empty value of the object (i.e. "" for str)
Please quote the person you're responding to, for context. Were you replying to Serhiy?
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09.08.21 17:05, fgallaire@gmail.com пише:
Two possibilities:
1) the perfectly backward compatible, retrun False 2) the more pythonic, return the empty value of the object (i.e. "" for str)
The problem is that for backward compatibility it should return True. And empty string's boolean value is false.
I missed the point of your question, my answer was about False replacement as I hadn't precised it previously. So now that I understand your question, yes you're right there's an issue here. This pleads in the direction of two new methods: prefix() and suffix(). As PEP 616 just added the two new methods removeprefix() and removesuffix(), it seems possible to do it. I personally think that prefix() and suffix() have more usecases than this ones. Florent Le lun. 9 août 2021 à 07:02, Serhiy Storchaka <storchaka@gmail.com> a écrit :
09.08.21 05:05, fgallaire@gmail.com пише:
This is a proposal to change the behaviour of the startswith() and endswith() methods for str, bytes and bytearray objects, making them return the matched value instead of the True boolean.
And what should it return for empty matched value?
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