Re: [Python-ideas] [Python-Dev] PEP 493: Redistributor guidance for Python 2.7 HTTPS
Cross-posted to redirect discussion. Replies directed to Python-Ideas. Erik Bray writes on Python-Dev:
As you point out, the words "totally" and "useless" were unnecessary and inaccurate respectively. However, the gist of his post, that the S/N on Python-Ideas has become substantially lower in the last few months, seems accurate to me. At least two recent threads could have been continued on Python-List, where they would have benefited a lot more users, and they didn't seem profitable on Python-Ideas since it was quite evident that Those Who Know About Python were adamantly opposed to the idea as discussed in the thread, while the proponent kept pushing on that brick wall rather than seeking a way around it. I myself continue to follow Python-Ideas, Nick and other committers are posting here daily, and even Guido manages to pop up occasionally, so that may be no problem (or even a good thing if it results in educating and inviting new committers in the long run). But I think it's worth considering whether it we should cultivate a bit more discipline here. Again, discussion on Python-Ideas, please.
I do see all subjects in python-ideas, but I often mute unproductive threads. I also take my cues from the responses of others. I also spend an inordinate amount skimming email in general, and I don't expect others to do so (in fact, I wish some folks wouldn't spend so much time writing long emails -- or would spend more time making them shorter :-). On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:10 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull <stephen@xemacs.org> wrote:
-- --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido)
On 7 July 2015 at 18:45, Guido van Rossum <guido@python.org> wrote:
I do see all subjects in python-ideas, but I often mute unproductive threads.
I personally had to give up on actually *reading* all the threads quite some time ago, so if it's a topic where the outcome doesn't matter to me, I'll tune it out. I may occasionally dive back into a long-lived thread if I get curious as to how it has spun on for so long :)
Aye, I know I'm prone to the latter problem - to the point where I'll sometimes include an opening TL;DR on emails in a work context :P However, I also tend to assume everyone treats python-ideas as a "when I have time, and the thread seems interesting" activity (since any actual proposed changes will still need to go through python-dev or the issue tracker), so I'm a bit more self-indulgent here. Cheers, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan | ncoghlan@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia
I do see all subjects in python-ideas, but I often mute unproductive threads. I also take my cues from the responses of others. I also spend an inordinate amount skimming email in general, and I don't expect others to do so (in fact, I wish some folks wouldn't spend so much time writing long emails -- or would spend more time making them shorter :-). On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:10 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull <stephen@xemacs.org> wrote:
-- --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido)
On 7 July 2015 at 18:45, Guido van Rossum <guido@python.org> wrote:
I do see all subjects in python-ideas, but I often mute unproductive threads.
I personally had to give up on actually *reading* all the threads quite some time ago, so if it's a topic where the outcome doesn't matter to me, I'll tune it out. I may occasionally dive back into a long-lived thread if I get curious as to how it has spun on for so long :)
Aye, I know I'm prone to the latter problem - to the point where I'll sometimes include an opening TL;DR on emails in a work context :P However, I also tend to assume everyone treats python-ideas as a "when I have time, and the thread seems interesting" activity (since any actual proposed changes will still need to go through python-dev or the issue tracker), so I'm a bit more self-indulgent here. Cheers, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan | ncoghlan@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia
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