Re: [Python-ideas] Moving to another forum system where moderation is possible
Frankly, I think the bigger issue is all too human -- we get sucked in and participate when we really know we shouldn't (or maybe that's just me).
That may be why some people misbehave, but we have no way of discouraging that misbehavior.
In a forum, the beautiful is better than ugly issue would be locked. No more posts can be added. If someone wants to discuss another proposal branching off of the original discussion, they can start a new thread. If they just want to lampoon, we can courteously ask them to 1) take it elsewhere or 2) move the post to a “malarkey” section of the forum where people don’t get notified.
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 1:39 PM, James Lu <jamtlu@gmail.com> wrote:
In a forum, the beautiful is better than ugly issue would be locked. No more posts can be added.
Exactly -- but that means we are stopping the discussion -- but we don't want to stop the discussion altogether, we want to have the productive parts of the discussion, without the non-productive parts -- not sure there is any technical solution to that problem. - CHB -- Christopher Barker, Ph.D. Oceanographer Emergency Response Division NOAA/NOS/OR&R (206) 526-6959 voice 7600 Sand Point Way NE (206) 526-6329 fax Seattle, WA 98115 (206) 526-6317 main reception Chris.Barker@noaa.gov
On 09/20/2018 07:48 AM, James Lu wrote:
Were there any productive parts to that conversation?
Out of 85 messages, there was 1 for sure, possibly three more. In the 95 "Retire or reword the namesake of the Language" thread there were 2. Obviously my opinion, but I hope everyone would agree that the signal-to-noise ratio of those two threads was low. -- ~Ethan~
Chris Barker via Python-ideas writes:
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 1:39 PM, James Lu <jamtlu@gmail.com> wrote:
In a forum, the beautiful is better than ugly issue would be locked. No more posts can be added.
Exactly -- but that means we are stopping the discussion -- but we don't want to stop the discussion altogether,
And that's exactly what a mute on replies does. Most people will just give up, which is appropriate. People who have (what they think is) a good reason to continue can start a new thread with a link to the old one. Hardly a prohibitive barrier, if you're willing to risk banning. I think this "feature" will do what people generally think it does: provide a strong signal to stop the discussion, and back that up with a fail-safe (if you *do* hit reply, it won't work). Footnotes: [1] Something rather unlikely to happen for many many months, even if the core decides to support it.
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 6:24 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull < turnbull.stephen.fw@u.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote:
Hmm -- I don't suppose Mailman has a way to filter out threads, does it? If not, maybe we could add that -- might work well in cases like this. -CHB -- Christopher Barker, Ph.D. Oceanographer Emergency Response Division NOAA/NOS/OR&R (206) 526-6959 voice 7600 Sand Point Way NE (206) 526-6329 fax Seattle, WA 98115 (206) 526-6317 main reception Chris.Barker@noaa.gov
On 9/20/18 2:04 PM, Chris Barker via Python-ideas wrote:
Mailman can filter based on regular expression on anything in the headers of the email. Filtering on Subject does a pretty good job of 'Thread' filtering You could also filter on In-Reply-To and References to get actual filtering on threads, but would need to list a lot of message-ids (especially for In-Reply-To) to block all replys to a long thread. -- Richard Damon
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 1:39 PM, James Lu <jamtlu@gmail.com> wrote:
In a forum, the beautiful is better than ugly issue would be locked. No more posts can be added.
Exactly -- but that means we are stopping the discussion -- but we don't want to stop the discussion altogether, we want to have the productive parts of the discussion, without the non-productive parts -- not sure there is any technical solution to that problem. - CHB -- Christopher Barker, Ph.D. Oceanographer Emergency Response Division NOAA/NOS/OR&R (206) 526-6959 voice 7600 Sand Point Way NE (206) 526-6329 fax Seattle, WA 98115 (206) 526-6317 main reception Chris.Barker@noaa.gov
On 09/20/2018 07:48 AM, James Lu wrote:
Were there any productive parts to that conversation?
Out of 85 messages, there was 1 for sure, possibly three more. In the 95 "Retire or reword the namesake of the Language" thread there were 2. Obviously my opinion, but I hope everyone would agree that the signal-to-noise ratio of those two threads was low. -- ~Ethan~
Chris Barker via Python-ideas writes:
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 1:39 PM, James Lu <jamtlu@gmail.com> wrote:
In a forum, the beautiful is better than ugly issue would be locked. No more posts can be added.
Exactly -- but that means we are stopping the discussion -- but we don't want to stop the discussion altogether,
And that's exactly what a mute on replies does. Most people will just give up, which is appropriate. People who have (what they think is) a good reason to continue can start a new thread with a link to the old one. Hardly a prohibitive barrier, if you're willing to risk banning. I think this "feature" will do what people generally think it does: provide a strong signal to stop the discussion, and back that up with a fail-safe (if you *do* hit reply, it won't work). Footnotes: [1] Something rather unlikely to happen for many many months, even if the core decides to support it.
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 6:24 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull < turnbull.stephen.fw@u.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote:
Hmm -- I don't suppose Mailman has a way to filter out threads, does it? If not, maybe we could add that -- might work well in cases like this. -CHB -- Christopher Barker, Ph.D. Oceanographer Emergency Response Division NOAA/NOS/OR&R (206) 526-6959 voice 7600 Sand Point Way NE (206) 526-6329 fax Seattle, WA 98115 (206) 526-6317 main reception Chris.Barker@noaa.gov
On 9/20/18 2:04 PM, Chris Barker via Python-ideas wrote:
Mailman can filter based on regular expression on anything in the headers of the email. Filtering on Subject does a pretty good job of 'Thread' filtering You could also filter on In-Reply-To and References to get actual filtering on threads, but would need to list a lot of message-ids (especially for In-Reply-To) to block all replys to a long thread. -- Richard Damon
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