
Is there a forum or something similar related to python-ideas? If there isn't, I think there should be. The mailing list format is restrictive. There's no good way to search past discussions and the digests I get are disorganized and difficult to follow. I'd like to contribute, but I don't know if my ideas are topics that have already been discussed in depth or if they're actually new. -Abe Dillon

Python-ideas archives: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/ Google Groups forum: https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!forum/python-ideas On July 23, 2015 1:16:00 PM CDT, Abe Dillon <abedillon@gmail.com> wrote:
-- Sent from my Nexus 5 with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

On Jul 23, 2015, at 01:26 PM, Ryan Gonzalez wrote:
Python-ideas archives: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/
Google Groups forum: https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!forum/python-ideas
Gmane is also invaluable, if you have an NNTP reader[1]. Cheers, -Barry [1] Like my favorite, claws-mail

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 01:16:00PM -0500, Abe Dillon wrote:
Is there a forum or something similar related to python-ideas? If there isn't, I think there should be.
Do you mean a web forum? This is an email forum. No, there's no web forum yet, but at some time in the not-too-distant future, the Hyperkitty web interface to Mailman3 may be deployed. For now, it's email only.
The mailing list format is restrictive.
In what way?
There's no good way to search past discussions
https://duckduckgo.com/html/?q=site:mail.python.org+tail+recursion https://startpage.com/do/search?q=site:mail.python.org+matrix+multiplication https://www.google.com.au/search?q=site:mail.python.org+compose+function plus Bing, Yahoo, etc.
and the digests I get are disorganized and difficult to follow.
Then don't use digests. P.S. since you are using digests, if you reply, please: (1) change the subject line to something meaningful; (2) trim the quoted text. We don't need or want the *entire* digest of potentially dozens of irrelevant emails included in your reply. Thank you. -- Steve

On Jul 23, 2015 1:52 PM, "Steven D'Aprano" <steve@pearwood.info> wrote:
How do I link this to "[Python-Dev] Devguide - Add Communications Quick Start Section"? ... https://www.google.com/search?q=%22%5BPython-Dev%5D+Devguide+-+Add+Communica... https://bugs.python.org/issue24682
https://startpage.com/do/search?q=site:mail.python.org+matrix+multiplication
In terms of q&a things to link to: Reddit, stack exchange, askbot/osqa, google groups tags/labels/types http://schema.org/Code http://schema.org/Question (Issue, tests, patch, docs, build, review) http://schema.org/Code

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 08:18:17PM -0500, Wes Turner wrote:
I don't understand your question. Are you asking for a link to a web interface that doesn't exist yet? Come back in a year or three when Hyperkitty is actually deployed, and we can give a url to it. In the meantime, the old pipermail interface still works, although unfortunately the urls aren't guaranteed to be stable, they can occasionally change and break hyperlinks. Sad but true. https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2015-July/140856.html Gmane mirrors the mailing list: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.devel/154038 As does ActiveState: http://code.activestate.com/lists/python-dev/137242/ There's also a Google Groups mirror, although navigating it to individual messages and extracting stable urls is painful): https://groups.google.com/d/forum/dev-python With the possible exception of the Google Groups mirror, none of these are web forums -- you can't post from the web archive. In the future, Hyperkitty will change that. -- Steve

On 23Jul2015 13:16, Abe Dillon <abedillon@gmail.com> wrote:
Others have posted about the many ways to search the archives. I want to add 2 recommendations: First, and incredibly important, if you want to participate in a list, or even just to lurk, do not use digest mode. It is a disaster (regardless of the list). Instead: - switch your subscription to indivdual messages - add a filing rule to your mailer to move all python-list (or whichever list) to its own folder. I put python-list, tutor, python-dev and python-ideas all in a shared "python" folder myself. - put your mail reader in "threads" mode, where all messages in a particular discussion are grouped together This removes all the (misleading) attractions of "digest" mode. Secondly, go to the python-ideas archive here: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/ and download all the past archives (those links labelled "Gzip'd Text ..."). Ungzip and concatenate into a large file. This can now be searched on your local machine. With some effort these archives can be converted into a normal mbox mail file, which can be browsed in threading mode, should you wish to follow a particular discussion from the past. Cheers, Cameron Simpson <cs@zip.com.au> All mail clients suck. This one just sucks less. - www.mutt.org

Python-ideas archives: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/ Google Groups forum: https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!forum/python-ideas On July 23, 2015 1:16:00 PM CDT, Abe Dillon <abedillon@gmail.com> wrote:
-- Sent from my Nexus 5 with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

On Jul 23, 2015, at 01:26 PM, Ryan Gonzalez wrote:
Python-ideas archives: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/
Google Groups forum: https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!forum/python-ideas
Gmane is also invaluable, if you have an NNTP reader[1]. Cheers, -Barry [1] Like my favorite, claws-mail

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 01:16:00PM -0500, Abe Dillon wrote:
Is there a forum or something similar related to python-ideas? If there isn't, I think there should be.
Do you mean a web forum? This is an email forum. No, there's no web forum yet, but at some time in the not-too-distant future, the Hyperkitty web interface to Mailman3 may be deployed. For now, it's email only.
The mailing list format is restrictive.
In what way?
There's no good way to search past discussions
https://duckduckgo.com/html/?q=site:mail.python.org+tail+recursion https://startpage.com/do/search?q=site:mail.python.org+matrix+multiplication https://www.google.com.au/search?q=site:mail.python.org+compose+function plus Bing, Yahoo, etc.
and the digests I get are disorganized and difficult to follow.
Then don't use digests. P.S. since you are using digests, if you reply, please: (1) change the subject line to something meaningful; (2) trim the quoted text. We don't need or want the *entire* digest of potentially dozens of irrelevant emails included in your reply. Thank you. -- Steve

On Jul 23, 2015 1:52 PM, "Steven D'Aprano" <steve@pearwood.info> wrote:
How do I link this to "[Python-Dev] Devguide - Add Communications Quick Start Section"? ... https://www.google.com/search?q=%22%5BPython-Dev%5D+Devguide+-+Add+Communica... https://bugs.python.org/issue24682
https://startpage.com/do/search?q=site:mail.python.org+matrix+multiplication
In terms of q&a things to link to: Reddit, stack exchange, askbot/osqa, google groups tags/labels/types http://schema.org/Code http://schema.org/Question (Issue, tests, patch, docs, build, review) http://schema.org/Code

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 08:18:17PM -0500, Wes Turner wrote:
I don't understand your question. Are you asking for a link to a web interface that doesn't exist yet? Come back in a year or three when Hyperkitty is actually deployed, and we can give a url to it. In the meantime, the old pipermail interface still works, although unfortunately the urls aren't guaranteed to be stable, they can occasionally change and break hyperlinks. Sad but true. https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2015-July/140856.html Gmane mirrors the mailing list: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.devel/154038 As does ActiveState: http://code.activestate.com/lists/python-dev/137242/ There's also a Google Groups mirror, although navigating it to individual messages and extracting stable urls is painful): https://groups.google.com/d/forum/dev-python With the possible exception of the Google Groups mirror, none of these are web forums -- you can't post from the web archive. In the future, Hyperkitty will change that. -- Steve

On 23Jul2015 13:16, Abe Dillon <abedillon@gmail.com> wrote:
Others have posted about the many ways to search the archives. I want to add 2 recommendations: First, and incredibly important, if you want to participate in a list, or even just to lurk, do not use digest mode. It is a disaster (regardless of the list). Instead: - switch your subscription to indivdual messages - add a filing rule to your mailer to move all python-list (or whichever list) to its own folder. I put python-list, tutor, python-dev and python-ideas all in a shared "python" folder myself. - put your mail reader in "threads" mode, where all messages in a particular discussion are grouped together This removes all the (misleading) attractions of "digest" mode. Secondly, go to the python-ideas archive here: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/ and download all the past archives (those links labelled "Gzip'd Text ..."). Ungzip and concatenate into a large file. This can now be searched on your local machine. With some effort these archives can be converted into a normal mbox mail file, which can be browsed in threading mode, should you wish to follow a particular discussion from the past. Cheers, Cameron Simpson <cs@zip.com.au> All mail clients suck. This one just sucks less. - www.mutt.org
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