Python certification
Hi all I know this might be a contentious question but ... Does anyone know of any PSF approved training or certifications for Python developers? There is this 10 year old page https://wiki.python.org/psf/Certification%20Proposal but I dont see any evidence that this was ever progressed past the discussion of it. Assuming there is no such thing as PSF approval, are there any certifications / training course that people would recommend, or would recognise for someone seeking employment with them? thanks Patrick [cross posted from python-uk list]
Hi! On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 03:56:29PM +0100, Patrick Morris <patrick@shimi.co.uk> wrote:
Why not ask PSF? See contacts at https://www.python.org/psf/
I think the question is better suited for comp.lang.python newsgroup/general mailing list. The python-ideas list is for discussing more speculative design ideas of Python the language and the implementation.
thanks
Patrick
Oleg. -- Oleg Broytman https://phdru.name/ phd@phdru.name Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.
Hi Patrick and Oleg Thank you, respectively, for a good question and a helpful response. Patrick asks:
Does anyone know of any PSF approved training or certifications for Python developers?
Oleg writes:
The python-ideas list is for discussing more speculative design ideas of Python the language and the implementation.
According to https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas
This list is to contain discussion of speculative language ideas for Python for possible inclusion into the language.
Python's excellent documentation, including https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/, is in my opinion part of the language. I'm in favour of discussing Patrick's question here, so that we can perhaps develop something of value that can be added to the tutorial. Is there a forum, better than python-ideas, for discussing speculative ideas for improving Python's documentation? -- Jonathan
On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 05:42:58PM +0100, Jonathan Fine <jfine2358@gmail.com> wrote:
In what way certification programs are related to documentation, especially to the tutorial?
-- Jonathan
Oleg. -- Oleg Broytman https://phdru.name/ phd@phdru.name Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.
Hi Oleg You wrote
In what way certification programs are related to documentation, especially to the tutorial?
One way is through syllabus. Necessarily, a certification via exam requires a syllabus (or a course of study). There is, implicitly, a syllabus in https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/. Here's a couple of Python syllabuses (the first proprietary, the second perhaps open) https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/learning/exam-98-381.aspx https://pythoninstitute.org/pcap-exam-syllabus/ I think it would help, to compare such syllabuses to the one implicit in the Python Tutorial. It may be, of course, that there's somewhere better than python-ideas for having the related discussion. I hope this is enough to persuade you that this topic is appropriate for python-ideas. Of course, if you know a better forum for this, that would be welcome. -- Jonathan
On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Jonathan Fine <jfine2358@gmail.com> wrote:
There is, implicitly, a syllabus in https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/.
The tutorial, is, well, a tutorial, it is by no means a complete course of study. So no, I don't think it's an appropriate place to start to develop a certification. Here's a couple of Python syllabuses (the first proprietary, the
I am developing this: https://uwpce-pythoncert.github.io/PythonCertDevel/index.html Which we use for a "Certificate" program, which is NOT a "certification". But I like to think we've put together a pretty good curriculum. I hope this is enough to persuade you that this topic is appropriate
for python-ideas. Of course, if you know a better forum for this, that would be welcome.
This really isn't the right forum -- maybe the tutor list? https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor But if you think you want to develop a certification, you need to find like-minded people to do it. -CHB -- Christopher Barker, Ph.D. Oceanographer Emergency Response Division NOAA/NOS/OR&R (206) 526-6959 voice 7600 Sand Point Way NE (206) 526-6329 fax Seattle, WA 98115 (206) 526-6317 main reception Chris.Barker@noaa.gov
On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 06:40:23PM +0100, Jonathan Fine wrote:
I think that Oleg asked the wrong question. With sufficient imagination, it is always possible to draw *some* kind of relationship or connection between virtually any two concepts, "six degrees of separation" kind of thing. A better question is, how are questions about third-party certification programmes on-topic to this mailing list? "This list is to contain discussion of speculative language ideas for Python for possible inclusion into the language." - https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas Third-party certification is not a speculative language idea for Python. It's not even an idea for documentation about existing language features. Third-party trainers and teachers may, or may not, mine the standard Python docs and tutorial for concepts, but regardless of whether they do or not, I think that discussions about third-party certification programmes are off-topic and should be taken to either a specialised mailing list or SIG (if there is one): https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo or to Python-List. -- Steve
edu-sig may be a good list for such a discussion; though you may find more information on Python lessons aligned with CS/Science curriculum standards than professional certification. https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
This list is for discussion of Python in education, however (at the request of a majority of readers) explicitly excluding educational politics.
https://www.google.com/search?q=python+certification+psf - Wiki content from 2008 - https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-certification-for-a-Python-programmer On Thursday, August 9, 2018, Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> wrote:
Hi! On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 03:56:29PM +0100, Patrick Morris <patrick@shimi.co.uk> wrote:
Why not ask PSF? See contacts at https://www.python.org/psf/
I think the question is better suited for comp.lang.python newsgroup/general mailing list. The python-ideas list is for discussing more speculative design ideas of Python the language and the implementation.
thanks
Patrick
Oleg. -- Oleg Broytman https://phdru.name/ phd@phdru.name Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.
Hi Patrick and Oleg Thank you, respectively, for a good question and a helpful response. Patrick asks:
Does anyone know of any PSF approved training or certifications for Python developers?
Oleg writes:
The python-ideas list is for discussing more speculative design ideas of Python the language and the implementation.
According to https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas
This list is to contain discussion of speculative language ideas for Python for possible inclusion into the language.
Python's excellent documentation, including https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/, is in my opinion part of the language. I'm in favour of discussing Patrick's question here, so that we can perhaps develop something of value that can be added to the tutorial. Is there a forum, better than python-ideas, for discussing speculative ideas for improving Python's documentation? -- Jonathan
On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 05:42:58PM +0100, Jonathan Fine <jfine2358@gmail.com> wrote:
In what way certification programs are related to documentation, especially to the tutorial?
-- Jonathan
Oleg. -- Oleg Broytman https://phdru.name/ phd@phdru.name Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.
Hi Oleg You wrote
In what way certification programs are related to documentation, especially to the tutorial?
One way is through syllabus. Necessarily, a certification via exam requires a syllabus (or a course of study). There is, implicitly, a syllabus in https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/. Here's a couple of Python syllabuses (the first proprietary, the second perhaps open) https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/learning/exam-98-381.aspx https://pythoninstitute.org/pcap-exam-syllabus/ I think it would help, to compare such syllabuses to the one implicit in the Python Tutorial. It may be, of course, that there's somewhere better than python-ideas for having the related discussion. I hope this is enough to persuade you that this topic is appropriate for python-ideas. Of course, if you know a better forum for this, that would be welcome. -- Jonathan
On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Jonathan Fine <jfine2358@gmail.com> wrote:
There is, implicitly, a syllabus in https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/.
The tutorial, is, well, a tutorial, it is by no means a complete course of study. So no, I don't think it's an appropriate place to start to develop a certification. Here's a couple of Python syllabuses (the first proprietary, the
I am developing this: https://uwpce-pythoncert.github.io/PythonCertDevel/index.html Which we use for a "Certificate" program, which is NOT a "certification". But I like to think we've put together a pretty good curriculum. I hope this is enough to persuade you that this topic is appropriate
for python-ideas. Of course, if you know a better forum for this, that would be welcome.
This really isn't the right forum -- maybe the tutor list? https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor But if you think you want to develop a certification, you need to find like-minded people to do it. -CHB -- Christopher Barker, Ph.D. Oceanographer Emergency Response Division NOAA/NOS/OR&R (206) 526-6959 voice 7600 Sand Point Way NE (206) 526-6329 fax Seattle, WA 98115 (206) 526-6317 main reception Chris.Barker@noaa.gov
On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 06:40:23PM +0100, Jonathan Fine wrote:
I think that Oleg asked the wrong question. With sufficient imagination, it is always possible to draw *some* kind of relationship or connection between virtually any two concepts, "six degrees of separation" kind of thing. A better question is, how are questions about third-party certification programmes on-topic to this mailing list? "This list is to contain discussion of speculative language ideas for Python for possible inclusion into the language." - https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas Third-party certification is not a speculative language idea for Python. It's not even an idea for documentation about existing language features. Third-party trainers and teachers may, or may not, mine the standard Python docs and tutorial for concepts, but regardless of whether they do or not, I think that discussions about third-party certification programmes are off-topic and should be taken to either a specialised mailing list or SIG (if there is one): https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo or to Python-List. -- Steve
edu-sig may be a good list for such a discussion; though you may find more information on Python lessons aligned with CS/Science curriculum standards than professional certification. https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
This list is for discussion of Python in education, however (at the request of a majority of readers) explicitly excluding educational politics.
https://www.google.com/search?q=python+certification+psf - Wiki content from 2008 - https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-certification-for-a-Python-programmer On Thursday, August 9, 2018, Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> wrote:
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