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Hey all, I've been replying to messages lately, and getting a bounce back: """ Hello chris.barker@noaa.gov, We're writing to let you know that the group you tried to contact (python-ideas) may not exist, or you may not have permission to post messages to the group. A few more details on why you weren't able to post: """ And it's not quite clar to me if the message actually got through. IIUC, this is a Mailman list -- so it must be getting mirrored through google groups, and at least with some people's posts, the reply-to header is getting messed up. Anyone know what's going on? It would be nice to fix this... -CHB PS: I've seen a couple other notes about this -- I'm not the only one. -- Christopher Barker, Ph.D. Oceanographer Emergency Response Division NOAA/NOS/OR&R (206) 526-6959 voice 7600 Sand Point Way NE (206) 526-6329 fax Seattle, WA 98115 (206) 526-6317 main reception Chris.Barker@noaa.gov
I've been getting those, too, but from the wxPython-dev group. I concur that they look like googlegroups bounces (although I can't confirm that as I've been deleting them without much inspection). On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 9:35 AM Chris Barker via Python-ideas < python-ideas@python.org> wrote:
I've cc'd python-ideas-owner, the folks who can actually do something about it. Chris Barker via Python-ideas writes:
In my experience it does, because when this happens to me it's due to my reply-all inserting both python.org and googlegroups addresses in the To and Cc fields.
I'm not sure about the process in your case. What I've experienced is that there are a couple of people who use googlegroups to read, and when they post for some reason both the python.org and the googlegroups addresses end up as addressees. This might be Google trying to monopolize mailing lists by putting the googlegroups address in Reply-To, or it might be a poster error of using reply-all and not cleaning out the googlegroups address (which doesn't bother them because they're subscribed at googlegroups and googlegroups deduplicates). For historical reasons I use reply-all, so both addresses end up in the addressees, and it bounces from googlegroups if I don't clean it up.
It would be nice to fix this...
My personal approach would be to blackhole posts containing googlegroups addresses in any header field, but that probably won't fly. ;-) I think it's probably not that hard to add some code to some handler in Mailman's pipeline to strip out googlegroups addresses from the list of addressees in outgoing posts, and if that makes googlegroups unreliable, so be it. It shouldn't, though, because the googlegroup is subscribed to the list at python.org. I don't see why this shouldn't be done globally for all lists at python.org, for all googlegroups addresses. AFAIK there are no non-list mailboxes at googlegroups that would want to receive mail there. Steve
And I've taken owners off because I don't know how to solve this short of removing Google Groups somehow or getting off of email and switching to Zulip or Discourse. If someone has a solution that doesn't require dropping email then let me know. On Fri, Jun 29, 2018, 04:17 Stephen J. Turnbull, < turnbull.stephen.fw@u.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote:
I've been getting those, too, but from the wxPython-dev group. I concur that they look like googlegroups bounces (although I can't confirm that as I've been deleting them without much inspection). On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 9:35 AM Chris Barker via Python-ideas < python-ideas@python.org> wrote:
I've cc'd python-ideas-owner, the folks who can actually do something about it. Chris Barker via Python-ideas writes:
In my experience it does, because when this happens to me it's due to my reply-all inserting both python.org and googlegroups addresses in the To and Cc fields.
I'm not sure about the process in your case. What I've experienced is that there are a couple of people who use googlegroups to read, and when they post for some reason both the python.org and the googlegroups addresses end up as addressees. This might be Google trying to monopolize mailing lists by putting the googlegroups address in Reply-To, or it might be a poster error of using reply-all and not cleaning out the googlegroups address (which doesn't bother them because they're subscribed at googlegroups and googlegroups deduplicates). For historical reasons I use reply-all, so both addresses end up in the addressees, and it bounces from googlegroups if I don't clean it up.
It would be nice to fix this...
My personal approach would be to blackhole posts containing googlegroups addresses in any header field, but that probably won't fly. ;-) I think it's probably not that hard to add some code to some handler in Mailman's pipeline to strip out googlegroups addresses from the list of addressees in outgoing posts, and if that makes googlegroups unreliable, so be it. It shouldn't, though, because the googlegroup is subscribed to the list at python.org. I don't see why this shouldn't be done globally for all lists at python.org, for all googlegroups addresses. AFAIK there are no non-list mailboxes at googlegroups that would want to receive mail there. Steve
And I've taken owners off because I don't know how to solve this short of removing Google Groups somehow or getting off of email and switching to Zulip or Discourse. If someone has a solution that doesn't require dropping email then let me know. On Fri, Jun 29, 2018, 04:17 Stephen J. Turnbull, < turnbull.stephen.fw@u.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote:
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