Meta-PEP about built-in functions
Hello, Both PEP 573 and PEP 575 deal with built-in functions. Additionally, some people (Stefan Behnel, Robert Bradshaw, Jim Pivarski and me) are currently brainstorming about a yet-to-be-written PEP to allow calling the underlying C function of a built-in function using native types (for example, a C long instead of a Python int). Think of it as analogous to the buffer protocol: the buffer protocol exposes C *data* while this would expose C *callables*. Since all these PEPs would overlap somewhat, I'm starting to wonder about the best way to organize this. Ideally, I would like some kind of "meta-PEP" where we discuss the future of built-in functions in general terms without too much details. This would be followed by several PEPs each going in detail about one specific aspect. Is there a precedent for this? What do the seasoned Python developers think? Jeroen.
This sounds fine to me. For type hint s we did a similar thing with PEPs
482, 483 and 484. You probably want to make everyone involved a co-author.
On Tue, May 22, 2018, 14:29 Jeroen Demeyer
Hello,
Both PEP 573 and PEP 575 deal with built-in functions. Additionally, some people (Stefan Behnel, Robert Bradshaw, Jim Pivarski and me) are currently brainstorming about a yet-to-be-written PEP to allow calling the underlying C function of a built-in function using native types (for example, a C long instead of a Python int). Think of it as analogous to the buffer protocol: the buffer protocol exposes C *data* while this would expose C *callables*.
Since all these PEPs would overlap somewhat, I'm starting to wonder about the best way to organize this. Ideally, I would like some kind of "meta-PEP" where we discuss the future of built-in functions in general terms without too much details. This would be followed by several PEPs each going in detail about one specific aspect.
Is there a precedent for this? What do the seasoned Python developers think?
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On 23 May 2018 at 07:28, Jeroen Demeyer
Hello,
Both PEP 573 and PEP 575 deal with built-in functions. Additionally, some people (Stefan Behnel, Robert Bradshaw, Jim Pivarski and me) are currently brainstorming about a yet-to-be-written PEP to allow calling the underlying C function of a built-in function using native types (for example, a C long instead of a Python int). Think of it as analogous to the buffer protocol: the buffer protocol exposes C *data* while this would expose C *callables*.
Since all these PEPs would overlap somewhat, I'm starting to wonder about the best way to organize this. Ideally, I would like some kind of "meta-PEP" where we discuss the future of built-in functions in general terms without too much details. This would be followed by several PEPs each going in detail about one specific aspect.
Is there a precedent for this? What do the seasoned Python developers think?
Probably the closest recent precedent would be PEPs 482 and 483, which laid out some background material and concepts so that PEP 484 could reference them, without needing to include them directly. I think doing something like that for the C level callable API to describe the status quo and the challenges it raises (both internally in CPython and for third party projects like Cython) could be a very good way to go, as that way the actual change proposals can focus on what they're proposing to change and why, without each needing to include all the background details regarding the specifics of the current situation. Cheers, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan | ncoghlan@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia
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