What factors led Guido to quit?
I want y’all to think about this very carefully. What factors led Guido to quit? And I don’t want you to just reply with the first thing that comes off your head. The purpose of this question/discussion is to identify problems with the Python community so we can fix them. That is the only real chance of having a successful Python language that doesn’t get left behind by other languages, or of getting Guido to come back.
James, please don't post such topics on python-ideas. This is completely off-topic and has strong flamebait potential. You may write on your own blog or Facebook account if you feel so strongly about it. Regards Antoine. On Sat, 2 Feb 2019 11:04:40 -0500 James Lu <jamtlu@gmail.com> wrote:
Are you a moderator or committed? I disagree with you. This, like the communication thread, is about improving the ability of the Python community to work together. If you don’t think others can have a respectful discussion about that, that’s the community’s fault, not mine. Again, the goal of this thread is for constructive discussion. Sent from my iPhone
Guido left for a variety of personal reasons, only some of which I know. Soon we will have a wonderful new Steering Council who will act as a collective BDFL (except each for finite terms, and not dictator since it's a council... but benevolent :-)). On Sun, Feb 3, 2019, 12:33 PM James Lu <jamtlu@gmail.com wrote:
- This is a mailing list for discussing ideas for Python, not theorizing about personal reasons for leaving a community, nor for writing prompts. - I would argue he left largely just due to people's influence outside this direct community, but also as a sort of "sign" that it was time to go. That being said, we don't know for sure, because of course we don't live his life, and speculating will get us nowhere. - I seriously doubt he's going to come back. - Antoine is one of the authors of PEP 8002 (the new governance PEP) and has previously received a community service award for his many contributions. -- Ryan (ライアン) Yoko Shimomura, ryo (supercell/EGOIST), Hiroyuki Sawano >> everyone else https://refi64.com/ On Sun, Feb 3, 2019, 11:33 AM James Lu <jamtlu@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 1:32 PM Ryan Gonzalez <rymg19@gmail.com> wrote:
- I seriously doubt he's going to come back.
The election for Steering Council is underway, and Guido is one of the candidates. He may or may not be one of 5 members of the SC, but that's up to the voters among the core committers. But if Guido wins, he will be one of several serving for a finite terms (but obviously with great wisdom and experience to lend to the SC). Let's just respect Guido's decision to modify his role, and give great thanks to his huge contributions to the world over decades. -- Keeping medicines from the bloodstreams of the sick; food from the bellies of the hungry; books from the hands of the uneducated; technology from the underdeveloped; and putting advocates of freedom in prisons. Intellectual property is to the 21st century what the slave trade was to the 16th.
On 2/2/2019 11:04 AM, James Lu wrote:
What factors led Guido to quit?
Guido resigned as 'Enhancement Czar'. He wrote what he want to say publicly as to why in his message to the committers list. Speculating beyond that strikes me as rude. He did not resign as President of the PSF nor as active core developer. He recently committed a large chunk of code. Antoine is correct that 'Python community enhancement' is off-topic *here*. This list is for "discussion of speculative language ideas for Python for possible inclusion into the language". https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas -- Terry Jan Reedy
James, Beginning an email with "I want y’all to think about this very carefully" isn't going to get you the answer you want. It would have been better, if you're curious as to why Guido "quit", the best way would be to go through the archives of python-dev, as he did enumerate the reasons in a note sent to that list. That's all most of us are going to be forthcoming with out of respect for his privacy. -- H On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 at 17:30, Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> wrote:
-- OpenPGP: https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xFEBAD7FFD041BBA1 If you wish to request my time, please do so using *bit.ly/hd1AppointmentRequest <http://bit.ly/hd1AppointmentRequest>*. Si vous voudrais faire connnaisance, allez a *bit.ly/hd1AppointmentRequest <http://bit.ly/hd1AppointmentRequest>*. <https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xFEBAD7FFD041BBA1>Sent from my mobile device Envoye de mon portable
James, please don't post such topics on python-ideas. This is completely off-topic and has strong flamebait potential. You may write on your own blog or Facebook account if you feel so strongly about it. Regards Antoine. On Sat, 2 Feb 2019 11:04:40 -0500 James Lu <jamtlu@gmail.com> wrote:
Are you a moderator or committed? I disagree with you. This, like the communication thread, is about improving the ability of the Python community to work together. If you don’t think others can have a respectful discussion about that, that’s the community’s fault, not mine. Again, the goal of this thread is for constructive discussion. Sent from my iPhone
Guido left for a variety of personal reasons, only some of which I know. Soon we will have a wonderful new Steering Council who will act as a collective BDFL (except each for finite terms, and not dictator since it's a council... but benevolent :-)). On Sun, Feb 3, 2019, 12:33 PM James Lu <jamtlu@gmail.com wrote:
- This is a mailing list for discussing ideas for Python, not theorizing about personal reasons for leaving a community, nor for writing prompts. - I would argue he left largely just due to people's influence outside this direct community, but also as a sort of "sign" that it was time to go. That being said, we don't know for sure, because of course we don't live his life, and speculating will get us nowhere. - I seriously doubt he's going to come back. - Antoine is one of the authors of PEP 8002 (the new governance PEP) and has previously received a community service award for his many contributions. -- Ryan (ライアン) Yoko Shimomura, ryo (supercell/EGOIST), Hiroyuki Sawano >> everyone else https://refi64.com/ On Sun, Feb 3, 2019, 11:33 AM James Lu <jamtlu@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 1:32 PM Ryan Gonzalez <rymg19@gmail.com> wrote:
- I seriously doubt he's going to come back.
The election for Steering Council is underway, and Guido is one of the candidates. He may or may not be one of 5 members of the SC, but that's up to the voters among the core committers. But if Guido wins, he will be one of several serving for a finite terms (but obviously with great wisdom and experience to lend to the SC). Let's just respect Guido's decision to modify his role, and give great thanks to his huge contributions to the world over decades. -- Keeping medicines from the bloodstreams of the sick; food from the bellies of the hungry; books from the hands of the uneducated; technology from the underdeveloped; and putting advocates of freedom in prisons. Intellectual property is to the 21st century what the slave trade was to the 16th.
On 2/2/2019 11:04 AM, James Lu wrote:
What factors led Guido to quit?
Guido resigned as 'Enhancement Czar'. He wrote what he want to say publicly as to why in his message to the committers list. Speculating beyond that strikes me as rude. He did not resign as President of the PSF nor as active core developer. He recently committed a large chunk of code. Antoine is correct that 'Python community enhancement' is off-topic *here*. This list is for "discussion of speculative language ideas for Python for possible inclusion into the language". https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas -- Terry Jan Reedy
James, Beginning an email with "I want y’all to think about this very carefully" isn't going to get you the answer you want. It would have been better, if you're curious as to why Guido "quit", the best way would be to go through the archives of python-dev, as he did enumerate the reasons in a note sent to that list. That's all most of us are going to be forthcoming with out of respect for his privacy. -- H On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 at 17:30, Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> wrote:
-- OpenPGP: https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xFEBAD7FFD041BBA1 If you wish to request my time, please do so using *bit.ly/hd1AppointmentRequest <http://bit.ly/hd1AppointmentRequest>*. Si vous voudrais faire connnaisance, allez a *bit.ly/hd1AppointmentRequest <http://bit.ly/hd1AppointmentRequest>*. <https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xFEBAD7FFD041BBA1>Sent from my mobile device Envoye de mon portable
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