secrets module -- secret.keeper?
Will the secrets module offer any building blocks to actually protect a secret? e.g., an easy way to encrypt a file with a given password? an encrypted datastore? a getpass that works even in IDLE? -jJ
Somewhat related, there is a keyring module, the functionality of which I've sometimes wished were part of the stdlib: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/keyring It supports the big three OSs. -Mike On 2015-09-30 10:55, Jim J. Jewett wrote:
On 1 October 2015 at 04:13, Mike Miller <python-ideas@mgmiller.net> wrote:
We've learned from experience that these kinds of module are better coupled to operating system update cycles than they are to Python language definition update cycles. However, a case could potentially be made for a pip-style bundling arrangement that provides the other benefits of stdlib inclusion (python-dev's technical endorsement, PSF's legal blessing), without incurring the costs (i.e. coupling to the language update cycle for feature additions). Cheers, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan | ncoghlan@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia
On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 01:55:49PM -0400, Jim J. Jewett wrote:
I don't know. I think probably not -- they sound a bit too high level, at least for a first version. But if people want to propose functions to do so, they can be considered.
a getpass that works even in IDLE?
I would expect that if getpass doesn't work in IDLE, that's a bug (in IDLE or getpass, I'm not sure :-) -- Steve
On 10/1/2015 1:12 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
I would expect that if getpass doesn't work in IDLE, that's a bug (in IDLE or getpass, I'm not sure :-)
Since Jim did not explain the implied 'does not work' I will guess that 'works' means replacing all typed or pasted chars with '*' before they are echoed to the screen. One can do this with tk(inter) and, I presume, any or all gui frameworks in use with Python. Text mode is tricker as system-specific commands are needed, and they may not work when tk (or another gui framework?) has control of the keyboard and screen. -- Terry Jan Reedy
On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Jim J. Jewett <jimjjewett@gmail.com> wrote:
-100 These are *waayyyyy* too complicated and subtle problems to try to handle in the stdlib. We cannot possibly do an acceptably good job here.
a getpass that works even in IDLE?
This sounds like a bug in getpass and/or IDLE that should just be fixed. -n -- Nathaniel J. Smith -- http://vorpus.org
Somewhat related, there is a keyring module, the functionality of which I've sometimes wished were part of the stdlib: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/keyring It supports the big three OSs. -Mike On 2015-09-30 10:55, Jim J. Jewett wrote:
On 1 October 2015 at 04:13, Mike Miller <python-ideas@mgmiller.net> wrote:
We've learned from experience that these kinds of module are better coupled to operating system update cycles than they are to Python language definition update cycles. However, a case could potentially be made for a pip-style bundling arrangement that provides the other benefits of stdlib inclusion (python-dev's technical endorsement, PSF's legal blessing), without incurring the costs (i.e. coupling to the language update cycle for feature additions). Cheers, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan | ncoghlan@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia
On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 01:55:49PM -0400, Jim J. Jewett wrote:
I don't know. I think probably not -- they sound a bit too high level, at least for a first version. But if people want to propose functions to do so, they can be considered.
a getpass that works even in IDLE?
I would expect that if getpass doesn't work in IDLE, that's a bug (in IDLE or getpass, I'm not sure :-) -- Steve
On 10/1/2015 1:12 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
I would expect that if getpass doesn't work in IDLE, that's a bug (in IDLE or getpass, I'm not sure :-)
Since Jim did not explain the implied 'does not work' I will guess that 'works' means replacing all typed or pasted chars with '*' before they are echoed to the screen. One can do this with tk(inter) and, I presume, any or all gui frameworks in use with Python. Text mode is tricker as system-specific commands are needed, and they may not work when tk (or another gui framework?) has control of the keyboard and screen. -- Terry Jan Reedy
On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Jim J. Jewett <jimjjewett@gmail.com> wrote:
-100 These are *waayyyyy* too complicated and subtle problems to try to handle in the stdlib. We cannot possibly do an acceptably good job here.
a getpass that works even in IDLE?
This sounds like a bug in getpass and/or IDLE that should just be fixed. -n -- Nathaniel J. Smith -- http://vorpus.org
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