Mailman 3 December 2012 - python-uk

hexagonal Django
by Jonathan Hartley Sept. 11, 2014

Sept. 11, 2014

The last few weeks I've been thinking about the architectural pattern known as Clean, Onion, Hexagonal, or Ports'n'Adaptors <http://blog.8thlight.com/uncle-bob/2012/08/13/the-clean-architecture.html> (http://blog.8thlight.com/uncle-bob/2012/08/13/the-clean-architecture.html). I'm curious if many people are applying it in the Django world? I haven't, yet, but I'm thinking of refactoring a vertical slice of our monster Django app into this style, and I'd love to hear if you think it's crazy / brilliant / obvious / old-hat, etc. Jonathan -- Jonathan Hartley tartley(a)tartley.com http://tartley.com Made of meat. +44 7737 062 225 twitter/skype: tartley

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New Year's London Dojo Next MONDAY
by Tom Viner Jan. 3, 2013

Jan. 3, 2013

Greeting Christmasy Pythonistas, I hope you've had a lovely holiday and are raring to go for some group coding, dojo style. This time we're dojoing on a Monday (the 7th), rather than the usual Thursday - more convenient for Fry-It, who kindly supply their office for our nefarious purposes. 30 tickets, hot off the presses, see you in a week: http://ldnpydojo.eventwax.com/london-python-code-dojo-season-4-episode-5 Cheers, and Happy New Year! Tom @tomviner - @ldnpydojo

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Next CamPUG meeting: Tuesday 8th January 2013 (note the date)
by Tony Ibbs Dec. 17, 2012

Dec. 17, 2012

From the Cambridge and East Anglia Python User Group's google group: The next meeting will be Tuesday 8th January, 7.30pm at RealVNC (http://tinyurl.com/realvncoffices). Note that this is not the first Tuesday, but the second. We normally stop about 9.30pm, and go on to the pub. This will be a "talks" meeting. Please feel free to volunteer a talk via the group, or just turn up with something - anything from a 5 minute lightning talk to an hour or so is welcome. Meetings after that should be: • Tuesday 5th February, a coding/doing stuff meeting. • Tuesday 5th March, a talks meeting • Tuesday 2nd April, a coding/doing stuff meeting Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, and joy in all things Pythonical, Tibs

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Python roles in my team @ Bank of America, Canary Wharf, London
by Fadhley, Salim Dec. 13, 2012

Dec. 13, 2012

I'm recruiting Python developers for my own team at Bank of America. We will be running interviews over the holiday period with a view to making hires immediately. While we do have roles for beginner Python developers we are most eager to meet experienced devs. We have positions available for both contractors and permanent employees. Bank of America is a very good place to be a Python developer: There is a major project which aims to replace many 3rd party systems with in-house applications built in Python. With so many critical systems already running on the Python-based framework, skills in this language are valued very highly in our company. Our team is in charge of delivering a API and GUI tool which is used by almost every line of business within this organization. If you are interested, please contact me directly (salim.fadhley(a)baml.com) or add me via LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=11408420 You can also contact me after hours on 07973 710574 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This message, and any attachments, is for the intended recipient(s) only, may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or proprietary and subject to important terms and conditions available at http://www.bankofamerica.com/emaildisclaimer. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message.

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Python/Django meet
by Sally Hall Dec. 12, 2012

Dec. 12, 2012

Good afternoon all, It was great to attend the Python/Django meet and to meet so many knowledgeable people. I just wanted to say thank you for the welcome - I hope we weren't too "recruitmenty"! It also looks like we were able to network a few of our clients with some of the attendees there, so hopefully that helps a few people. Just wanted to say it was good to share a drink with a few of you and to see it from the other side of the fence. I was great to see such a vibrant community and to meet a few of you in person, rather than just over the phone! Kind Regards Sally Hall IT Recruitment Consultant 01582 394851

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West Yorks. Python Group - Thurs. 13 December - Leeds
by Peter Russell Dec. 12, 2012

Dec. 12, 2012

== West Yorkshire Python User Group Meeting - Thurs. 13 December == = Talk: Simon Davy, Unit testing Django = Django includes a test framework that is very convenient and widely used. It includes test database set up, fixtures, and a convenient way of calling your via Django's framework. However, it is actually testing your application at integration level, rather than at unit level. Integration tests are good, but so are unit tests! (which test smaller areas and run faster). In this talk we'll look at three different ways to use standard unit testing techniques when testing django applications to write actual unit tests. == Date and Time == Thursday 13 December, talk from 7:30pm. If you want to arrive before the talk, the venue will be open from about 6.30. We will be finished by 9, and we will be going to the pub afterwards. == Location == We will be meeting at the offices of The Test People: Albion Court Albion Place Leeds West Yorkshire, LS1 6JL If you have trouble getting in, please call Peter on 07763570860. == About the Group == The West Yorkshire Python User Group (WYPy) have been meeting monthly since 2007. Our meetings are free, and usually include at least one talk, as well as a trip to the pub. Our website is at http://wypy.org.uk . We discuss our meetings on the Python Yorkshire and Humberside Google Grouphttp://groups.google.com/group/python-yorks-humber/ and you can also follow us on Twitter at @WYPython.

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Just thanks!
by Álex González Dec. 11, 2012

Dec. 11, 2012

Hi guys! It's the first time that I went to the python-uk "confs" (let's call it some beer between friends) :) But I really enjoyed it! I really like when I can talk with the people as I knew them from months/lifes ago! I this is what happened here, I felt really confortable! I hope to see you in the next one and try to keep the interest in this amazing framework! :) PS: I will welcome the people from Zone 1 too! (just kidding, is a joke that someboy will understand xD) See you! -- @agonzalezro <http://twitter.com/agonzalezro> or my blog<http://agonzalezro.github.com> Please, don't send me files with extensions: .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, .ppt and/or .pptx

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Re: [python-uk] [pyconuk] Python-UK Google Plus Community
by Jonathan Hartley Dec. 11, 2012

Dec. 11, 2012

On 11/12/2012 09:02, Mike Sandford wrote: > On Mon, 2012-12-10 at 21:08 +0000, Russel Winder wrote: >> For me the problem is not Google, the problem is that it is a forum. A >> forum is a place you have to go to to find out what is happening. Some >> people like this. I want interaction to come to me. In particular it >> needs to be in my email. Google has this idea that if you sign up for >> email notifications, you get notified of the presence of an event, you >> still have to go to the forum to discover the content of the >> contribution. > Nicely put. I've been on some places where notifications come in and you > have to click through (and possibly sign in!) and after a bit that extra > step becomes do it later, and do it later turns into never. An email I > can scan and decide pretty much immediately. And then delete it. > > That last point is important. I get to manage my own interaction. > > Mike S. > > _______________________________________________ > pyconuk mailing list > pyconuk(a)python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyconuk > Nobody has proposed replacing the mailing list, or changing it in any way. Somebody just started a G+ community as well, and thought you all might like to know. Hugs, Jonathan -- Jonathan Hartley tartley(a)tartley.com http://tartley.com Made of meat. +44 7737 062 225 twitter/skype: tartley

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Python-UK Google Plus Community
by Jonathan Hartley Dec. 11, 2012

Dec. 11, 2012

Can I suggest we move this discussion to python-uk, so it will be seen by those who will actually be affected? I have accordingly cross-posted, my apologies. Perhaps subsequent replies could remove 'pyconuk' from the distribution? For those new to the fray, the topic is the creation of the new python-uk Google+ "community" page, and whether it is a good thing, or might fragment the python-uk mailing list community. My actual comment is inline below. Jonathan On 10/12/2012 17:15, Nicholas H.Tollervey wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, > > On 10/12/12 15:10, Martin P. Hellwig wrote: >> Hi Tim/All, >> >> My intention is to have a point of presence for the uk python >> community outside of organizing the UK PyCon. As you have pointed >> out that outside of conference organization, there is not much of >> UK python going on. By creating the community page I hope that we >> can keep this list more pure towards UK PyCon's and move the >> 'noise' (as far as there was any) towards the community page. Of >> course I will try to bridge anything interesting from the list >> towards the community page, but the community page is just that and >> the mailing list for the pycon uk is also just that :-) I find >> using google+ communities rather easy and perhaps it for others >> less of a hurdle too. I hope that we can create a better >> representation of the UK Python Developers via this. >> >> As alwyas I am open for any suggestions. >> > The python-uk mailing list serves us well. The suggestion of a G+ > locations feels like a bad idea since it's duplication of something > that already does a fine job and causes fragmentation. > > While not the world's most active list, there are at least three user > groups (London Python Dojo, Campug and Reading Dojo) who post every > month with traffic from elsewhere (Sheffield???) and the odd job > announcement. > > Obviously, *this* (pyconuk) list only ever gets active around, er, > PyconUK. > > If you want something more immediate and real-time there's also the > python-uk channel on freenode IRC. > > N. While I understand the many objections due to fragmentation and accessibility (and it's just the sort of curmudgeonly viewpoint I might normally espouse myself) they ought to be balanced against the empirical observation that traffic to the python-uk list is very light, while Martin and other's posts to the new G+ 'community' in the last few days seem to substantially outweigh it. This might just be because the G+ community is novel and is seeing sign-up traffic that will quickly ebb, or maybe it's because it's hip and accessible to a more thrilling and vibrant crowd. Regardless, I think it's showing promising signs of life, and while I might personally prefer the safe and familiar environment of the monospaced mailing list, I have to grant that the content is ultimately the point, not the medium. Martin might just have started something wonderful, and I think should be encouraged to nurture it, and see what transpires. Cheers, Jonathan >> Cheers, >> >> Martin >> >> >> >> On 10 December 2012 14:50, Tim Golden <mail(a)timgolden.me.uk >> <mailto:mail@timgolden.me.uk>> wrote: >> >> On 10/12/2012 14:32, Martin P. Hellwig wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I now that I have been absent for a number of years on this list, >>> but now after changing jobs (well I am in the middle of it >>> again), >> changing >>> homes and being a daddy (still am) I have come to a point where I >>> can get more actively involved again. >>> >>> Since google lately communities introduced , I have started the >>> Python-UK one, however I hope that I can involve some members on >>> this list too, especially in the event of conflicts of >>> moderation. >>> >>> I know that some members do not think too highly about the >>> omnipresent of google, however I do think it is nicely >>> implemented and can >> give good >>> reach out to the community. >> I am... ambivalent on the subject of Google Plus. Could you, >> perhaps, outline what you think it brings to the party? The >> immediately obvious downside is that it becomes yet another place >> to keep track of if you want to know what's going on. (Not that an >> awful lot does go on the Python UK community :) ). >> >> TJG _______________________________________________ pyconuk mailing >> list pyconuk(a)python.org <mailto:pyconuk@python.org> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyconuk >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ pyconuk mailing >> list pyconuk(a)python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyconuk >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQxhi1AAoJEP0qBPaYQbb6McsH+gOsfhuMTJYY8thFFYuhO0ad > mK/Njbt3fh7tiHqBwwZA/aMJyRlD6wtF+X+KKiw0lhoMId4v0qG0f7/aNwVS+AUb > D3c/oMYdfiY8RN/r7WxOt94TDZwXoVsHq2YqFfBqJfp0aIjlTLBDBlulZyDCyrLJ > hg0FQVVZKxX586yEek3HJvH6gTcXjzaUwQsmIvDP67GL5UNImBPFcs+fcNTP2FIl > BxDnvYJnPy/CJS6mXiYcBQgFX0GeiKjPsr2uVYQ5SuNWin4xR5X7Fqm97hrfErVj > bfPVrmt7FVWne2nrbQWyNliGmcumzWhFPtT8+heHRc8a0vG76CqN98hLtX2CK60= > =dewe > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > pyconuk mailing list > pyconuk(a)python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyconuk > -- Jonathan Hartley tartley(a)tartley.com http://tartley.com Made of meat. +44 7737 062 225 twitter/skype: tartley

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Re: [python-uk] [pyconuk] Python-UK Google Plus Community
by Zeth Dec. 11, 2012

Dec. 11, 2012

On 10/12/12 14:32, Martin P. Hellwig wrote: > Hi All, > > I now that I have been absent for a number of years on this list, but > now after changing jobs (well I am in the middle of it again), changing > homes and being a daddy (still am) I have come to a point where I can > get more actively involved again. > > Since google lately communities introduced , I have started the > Python-UK one, however I hope that I can involve some members on this > list too, especially in the event of conflicts of moderation. > > I know that some members do not think too highly about the omnipresent > of google, however I do think it is nicely implemented and can give good > reach out to the community. > > You can find it here: > https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/109155400666012015869 > > Kind regards, > > Martin P. Hellwig > > > _______________________________________________ > pyconuk mailing list > pyconuk(a)python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyconuk > Thanks for setting this up Martin. I just read the mailing list posts about the google+ group so didn't get time to read all of the google+ group itself yet. Regarding the discussion about the differences between this mailing list and the new google plus group, apart from the proprietary issue about big brother, for me the key difference is that the Google group will allow lots of more trivial, specific or tentative discussions. It is not normal to tell the mailing list that I made this script or I wrote this blog post, but that is quite normal for a google group. I like this kind of thing, but I understand the negative expressions. I think the answer is that if anything genuinely useful bubbles up out of the Google Plus group, it should be cross-posted here for the benefit of those who want a higher signal to noise ratio. Best Wishes, Zeth

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