Mailman 3 September 2014 - python-uk

London Python Code Dojo happening next Thursday
by Gautier HAYOUN Oct. 2, 2014

Oct. 2, 2014

Hello, It feels like the previous dojo was just last week, but it was 3 weeks ago already. This means the October London Python Code Dojo (S06E02) is happening again next Thursday in Fry-IT! Assuming dry and warm enough weather we will try to repeat the rooftop show-and-tell, so please bring warm clothes just in case. Grab your own ticket at https://ldnpydojo.eventwax.com/london-python-code-dojo-season-7-episode-1-2 before they're gone. Pizzas, refreshments and friendly Pythonistas will be provided from 18.30 on the 02/10 at Fry-IT : Unit 6, 36-42 New Inn Yard, London. EC2A 3EY All the best, Gautier

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Re: [python-uk] [pyconuk] [EuroPython-Members] EuroPython Reboot
by Laura Creighton Sept. 21, 2014

Sept. 21, 2014

I don't have any videoconferencing software, and the links provided just crash my firefox. By the time I get things tracked down and understood, the meeting will be over. So I won't be able to make it. I just wanted people to know that it wasn't due to lack of interest. Good luck everybody, Laura Creighton

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Re: [python-uk] [EuroPython-Improve] [pyconuk] [EuroPython-Members] EuroPython Reboot
by Andy Robinson Sept. 19, 2014

Sept. 19, 2014

Hi all, As a list admin for the python-uk mailing list, I just approved a few blocked messages. If cross-posting from another list, please be aware that you normally have to join python-uk(a)python.org to post. I am sorry I can't be there, nor have I been at any recent EuroPython, but as a general rule I'll go with John on anything he says. Nobody has done more for Python in this country. - Andy

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EuroPython Reboot
by John Pinner Sept. 19, 2014

Sept. 19, 2014

Hello Fellow European Pythonistas, This year's EuroPython in Berlin was a grat event, enjoyed by over 1000 Pythonistas and the biggest EP to date. What most of us would have been unaware of was that under the surface, there had been major problems with relations between the EuroPython Society (EPS) board and those heading up the local organising team. These problems could be serious enough to put the future of EuroPython itself at risk and already have resulted in plans for a repeat of EuroPython 2014 Berlin in 2015 being abandoned. Now I (John Pinner) like many others feel passionately about our Python community, and this is part of the problem : people throw themselves into organising our events, put in *lots* of work, and don't necessarily see the bigger picture : constructive criticism may not be taken, or given, as intended. Then relationships deteriorate and positions get entrenched, this was apparent (to me, I don't know about anyone else) at the EPS General Assembly in Berlin. Believe me, I have been involved in voluntary organisations for over 30 years, and this is common and all the more sad as it stems from the same basic passion and desire to serve the community. As someone who has been involved in EuroPython from the early days, and a past organiser, I don't wish to see the current problems continue and put the future of EuroPython at risk. I don't think it's too late to do something about it. PyCon UK 2014 starts tomorrow in Coventry, and quite a few EuroPython fans will be attending, so this is an opportunity to join together and see if we can resolve some of these problems. This is quite appropriate as, for sad historical reasons (which we have learnt from and put behind us, let's do the same on a much smaller scale for EuroPython) Coventry is the City of Reconciliation So I'm setting up a "EuroPython Reboot" meeting at PyCon UK 2014, at 11:00am local time (I believe that's 10:00am European time). Some of us will be able to attend this meeting in person, for those who cannot, we'll set up a video call on either https://appear.in/epreboot or Google hangout. I'll put this up on the PyCon UK wiki at http://pyconuk.net/EuropythonReboot and when we finalise the details, they'll be there. One thing I will stress, this is my idea as an individual who cares about the future of EuroPython, it is *not* being done at the behest of, or under the influence of, either the Berlin organisers or the EPS Board. If you too care about EuroPython, please join us at this meeting. Thanks, John --

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Re: [python-uk] [EuroPython-Members] EuroPython Reboot
by Gianluca Romanin Sept. 18, 2014

Sept. 18, 2014

> Making such an announcement three days in advance is not very helpful. It is not very helpful this kind of mail too. Even with all the PGP code. This is the kind of harsh **positive**criticism** that I really can't stand. @John: I really appreciate the initiative. Thank you. I'll follow the meeting on the web. Best regards, ------------------------------------------------------ Gianluca Romanin (aka J_Zar) ------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Andreas Jung <lists(a)zopyx.com> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > John Pinner wrote: > > It's been pointed out that I had a "Senior Moment" and left out the > > proposed meeting date from my previous mail. > > > > But it's on the wiki page > > > > Sunday 21st September 2014, 11:00 am local time (BST). > > Making such an announcement three days in advance is not very helpful. > > - -aj > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJUGrSMAAoJEADcfz7u4AZjH5YLvjwlX7wtxhcdcsr19TceqwTx > Gyt3ur6nvuEDX6DbJqtRVMRIuUx8D0FznvUocHsuo1OY73XaZ8MaKk3EqJt0Jw3y > P+ScG7HpKt/idCx8seu479iC5Qa1K3/yiPCw/wujpOFCZTeCS/kcr2cIq7p203q4 > zI66HRgY8QKWxihXGN+1vkGivHDd2I4tLGa17clRcTudbwXIeNUIfOSU6QSJjyA1 > ZYj+c7LYpaB+oah6SGQVQlv/qC2eh10h/ZpmnBoF9IHChk7vNwdV0Mnn2dqwqvjT > LZYIXOP6hcyPgkR6aKfKhURnkqEdcaKXyOiSwEoogcjTYb0QjLLNlpiOKNTp5ECR > 56U+wBnuHge8M4wcXQtKG31UgfCKirramJhvnXYFlk+4+eiLt5zbtR+VOkPYso2n > 8wyvUjxeCf8e+aCqiTXh22rBlFIvmB9L+W6s6T1yRLThz0ZhLABHQE8wXG45pXgl > NCjCNXKNHYdBnD/pW1hA7DKFW1b5xPQ= > =YIYx > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________________________________ > EuroPython-Members Mailing List > https://www.egenix.com/mailman/listinfo/europython-members > > EuroPython: https://www.europython.eu/ > EuroPython Society: http://www.europython-society.org/ >

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Re: [python-uk] [EuroPython-Improve] [EuroPython-Members] EuroPython Reboot
by Nicholas H.Tollervey Sept. 18, 2014

Sept. 18, 2014

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 18/09/14 11:31, Andreas Jung wrote: > Making such an announcement three days in advance is not very > helpful. > > -aj > Actually, your reply to positive action on this front is not very helpful either, in the sense that it's *already* adversely changing the tone of the exchange. Given the content of John's email, I suspect this is *exactly* the sort of reaction I'm guessing John is at pains to avoid. Please, let's make this a positive, cooperative and compassionate exchange. :-) N. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUGr99AAoJEP0qBPaYQbb6FEUIAJORYh4wrGru4dp3l9h3cl/A 7krPx5qrgFwnDOxDuOuS1UdxGA5jqjZFlruuYeQFV2gMjcCKBsZvNlmO+dsC01VX 3BqtjZaEQSGFuWYrPXVJghuLzIuDBrTOXx0/SBQINAwOq6KnUffeTQTet+tJoTWE PxqAGVcdYXGoZkNo0kLaa8SNGeJ+2GukB3LeBqdG7wc79soLGTwaDSS/sQQASFWH o6MbUFKJy2TFdT5eMg/bHBbNSiQnPkubeZ9KkWfv8bNRemina4mcEtvgrc2Mj/7R 4LQpa/MclJMMsyYRk7Y8T+q3fNIQ+htpOuaz80NvYD9GzUypjgbuhZodr8abcpU= =XKiO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [python-uk] [EuroPython-Members] EuroPython Reboot
by Horst Gutmann Sept. 18, 2014

Sept. 18, 2014

To be fair there were a couple of hints that something like that would most likely take place at PyCon UK for the last couple of weeks now. Additionally, I kind of doubt that someone would make a trip from outside the UK just for this meeting if they didn't plan to attend the conference anyway :-) @John: Thanks for organising this! If somehow possible I will try to attend remotely. Cheers, Horst > Andreas Jung > 18 Sep 2014 12:31 > Making such an announcement three days in advance is not very helpful. > > -aj > > _______________________________________________________________________ > EuroPython-Members Mailing List > https://www.egenix.com/mailman/listinfo/europython-members > > EuroPython: https://www.europython.eu/ > EuroPython Society: http://www.europython-society.org/ > John Pinner > 18 Sep 2014 12:28 > It's been pointed out that I had a "Senior Moment" and left out the > proposed meeting date from my previous mail. > > But it's on the wiki page > > Sunday 21st September 2014, 11:00 am local time (BST). > > Sorry, > > John > -- > > _______________________________________________________________________ > EuroPython-Members Mailing List > https://www.egenix.com/mailman/listinfo/europython-members > > EuroPython: https://www.europython.eu/ > EuroPython Society: http://www.europython-society.org/

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Re: [python-uk] [EuroPython-Members] EuroPython Reboot
by John Pinner Sept. 18, 2014

Sept. 18, 2014

Hello Andreas, On 18 September 2014 11:31, Andreas Jung <lists(a)zopyx.com> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > John Pinner wrote: >> It's been pointed out that I had a "Senior Moment" and left out the >> proposed meeting date from my previous mail. >> >> But it's on the wiki page >> >> Sunday 21st September 2014, 11:00 am local time (BST). > > Making such an announcement three days in advance is not very helpful. Well, I'm sorry, Andreas, for not meeting your exacting standards. But as I've been deeply involved in organising PyCon UK, as well as having an intensive course of chemo- and radio-therapy cancer treatment since EP14, *maybe* you'll understand. Best wishes, John --

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EuroPython Reboot
by John Pinner Sept. 18, 2014

Sept. 18, 2014

It's been pointed out that I had a "Senior Moment" and left out the proposed meeting date from my previous mail. But it's on the wiki page Sunday 21st September 2014, 11:00 am local time (BST). Sorry, John --

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Ibis room avail Fri/Sat night
by Mike Gleen Sept. 17, 2014

Sept. 17, 2014

Folks, I am unable to attend pyconuk this weekend but have a reservation at the Ibis which cost ~£84 for the two nights. If anyone can use these please get in touch. Mike Gleen mikegleen(a)yahoo.co.uk Sent from my iPad

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