Mailman 3 December 2016 - python-uk

Announcing: New Years London Dojo Next Thursday 5th
by Tom Viner Dec. 29, 2016

Dec. 29, 2016

Hi all, Hope everyone's having a stellar holiday period. Take a moment between mince pies and Christmas puddings to sign up for next weeks Dojo. Our hosts for January will be Sohonet in... Soho. *Date: Thursday Jan 5th*. As usual we'll have pizza, drinks and all the group coding you can manage. Maybe a lightning talk too. Get your tickets while they're hot - especially if you've never come before, we really welcome everyone: https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/london-python-code-dojo-season-8-episode-5-t… Note, as we're using eventbrite these days, if you sign up and later find you can't attend, you can click the link in the email you get, and just hit the cancel order button. If you need any more information (or want to volunteer as a "cat herder" of a dojo), contact the team via Twitter: @ldnpydojo <https://twitter.com/ldnpydojo> or via email team(a)ldnpydojo.org.uk We're also looking for new venues to host the dojo. Look forward to seeing you all next Thursday. Have a Happy New Year, Tom @tomviner

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Django Developer Nottinghamshire UK at PrimarySite
by sertaç c Dec. 20, 2016

Dec. 20, 2016

About PrimarySite Location: Newark, Nottinghamshire UK We are the leading and fastest-growing provider of websites to primary schools in the UK. With more than a decade's experience and knowledge of primary education, we have created more than 5,000 websites to help schools communicate more effectively with parents and their whole school communities, raise their profiles and save valuable staff time. We would like recruit a further Django developer to expand our product development team. We maintain and build features for primary schools, enabling our customers to update their websites and communicate with parents with minimal effort. >From large, complex multi-site projects to micro services platforms and custom apps, we have lots of interesting, creative and technical challenges to tackle. Your role will include: - Undertake development tasks using appropriate technologies - Follow the defined software development process adopted by the company - Pair program assigned task, if appropriate - Ensure that work is done to the highest standard, meeting PrimarySite's coding standards - Uphold collective team standards by code. Review colleagues’ work and recommend changes where necessary - Ensure code is correctly managed though version control - Communicate both at a technical and non-technical level and share your development solutions with stakeholders - Ability and desire to learn - Ability to supply us with sugar based food groups - Ability to consume sugar based food groups See details at: Django Developer Nottinghamshire UK at PrimarySite <http://djangojobs.net/jobs/646/django-developer-nottinghamshire-uk-primarys…>

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URGENT: Python / Django / Stripe Dev Needed
by Chris Meachin Dec. 19, 2016

Dec. 19, 2016

We are looking for a pragmatic Python/Django developer for a real life video tutorial subscription business (www.insidetheedit.com) with a few thousand subscribers. Interest in eCommerce would be advantageous but not required. The business has been operating for 3 years, and we’re looking for somebody able to provide technical support and development services ongoing. For the right candidate, this could form 5-10 days work per month, on a reasonably flexible basis (therefore could be managed around other projects or work). Initially, we need around 5 days urgent work to upgrade the Stripe payment system used within the site to process customer transactions: changes are required to the platform before the end of 2016. Please contact Chris if you’re interested, or know somebody that might be! chris(a)insidetheedit.com Experience wanted in the following AWS technologies: + EC2 + RDS + S3 & Access Management + CloudFront & URL Signing (boto or botocore) + deployment automation with fabric, ansible, vagrant, docker or similar technologies

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Python Training - trainer required
by Walter Prins Dec. 13, 2016

Dec. 13, 2016

Hi all, I've been approached by www.bsgplc.co.uk about delivering Introduction/Advanced training during January 2017 in London. I'm not available and probably not the best person for this anyway, so I was wondering whether anyone here would be interested and/or whether it'd be OK to point them to this mailing list directly? (Given the recent firestorm sparked by a recruiter posting I'm almost afraid to even ask the question...) Thanks, Walter

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What trends should we watch Python during 2017..?
by Nicholas H.Tollervey Dec. 10, 2016

Dec. 10, 2016

I've been asked to answer this. I've already replied but I wonder what the wider community think..? My response mentioned: * MicroPython bringing Python to embedded / IoT communities (and such communities into the Python world). * Python 2 / Python 3 (a perennial) * Python in education: with the micro:bit, Calliope (German micro:bit) and Adafruit all settling on MicroPython lots of kids and teachers will be learning Python next year. Also viz RPi - now the most successful computing in education project in history if measured in terms of devices shipped (and they promote Python too). * Python in data science. If the London PyData is anything to go by, things have only just started in this respect. Care to add anything else..? What about technical things to watch out for..? Will Larry complete his Gilectomey..? Season's greetings... N.

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2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to £95k
by Sophie Hendley Dec. 10, 2016

Dec. 10, 2016

Hey all, I wanted to see if anyone on this list would be interested in chatting to me about either of the following. *Principle engineer/ Future CTO to highly anticipated insurance start-up * Techstack: Python Django Javascript React.js *Principle engineer /Second in command to the CTO at a highly successful SAAS start-up. * Techstack: Python AWS SQL API's Postgre Get in touch if you are interested. -- Sophie Hendley| Principal Consultant| Digital Vision *M:* 07505145903 *E: *sophie.hendley(a)digvis.co.uk *W:* www.digvis.co.uk Sponsor me please!!!!- https://www.justgiving.com/sophiehendley/

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Announcing the Yorkshire Inquisition
by Andy Robinson Dec. 8, 2016

Dec. 8, 2016

I believe I am one of the original founding list admins, after 20-odd years. Sadly, the other, John Pinner, has passed away. I therefore decree, as self-appointed "Benevolent Dictator for List", that the Python CoC established by Steve Holden IS the official Code of Conduct, and must be respected. To enforce good conduct in a suitably Pythonic manner, I hereby propose the foundation of the Yorkshire Inquisition, headed by Steve. Such an institution will have truly terrifying powers of enforcement. Suggestions welcome on this thread Be pure. Be vigilant. Behave! - Andy

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London Python Project Nights (Build Something)
by Alistair Broomhead Dec. 7, 2016

Dec. 7, 2016

Hey all! It's that time again, next Wednesday (14th) will be our December meet up. This month we're being hosted by the people at thesquareapp.com who have kindly offered to provide food and drinks. RSVP at: https://www.meetup.com/London-Python-Project-Nights/events/236073711/ Thanks, Al

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Re: [python-uk] python-uk Digest, Vol 160, Issue 18
by Andy Idiaghe Dec. 7, 2016

Dec. 7, 2016

To be fairly honest I for one agree with both parties. Having a CoC for an email list is a silly idea and brings literally nothing to the table. Now I do think Richard proved that ppl can be rude or "offensive" on the web to a certain degree, but I do think he makes fair points about the initial post. I don't believe the recruiter was guilt free, as the post was clearly spam. And yes I would have referred to Sophie as "the recruiter" as well because I don't (personally) care about the gender or whatever but I do care about what she was trying to convey. It's 2017 guys (*sighs* and girls), getting offended over words on the Internet is ridiculous imho. Take a walk or something. On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 1:18 PM, <python-uk-request(a)python.org> wrote: > Send python-uk mailing list submissions to > python-uk(a)python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > python-uk-request(a)python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > python-uk-owner(a)python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of python-uk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to ?95k > (Steve Holden) > 2. Re: 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to ?95k > (Steve Holden) > 3. Re: 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to ?95k > (Thomas Kluyver) > 4. Re: 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to ?95k (Pepper R.) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 12:49:15 +0000 > From: Steve Holden <steve(a)holdenweb.com> > To: UK Python Users <python-uk(a)python.org> > Subject: Re: [python-uk] 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to > ?95k > Message-ID: > <CAMofdRCQOXD+12vnnscnm+mCsd3+pe7ZC-ffr9inMO1Zp-0Lww@mail. > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Great heavens, I'd have thought it was obvious that anyone telling a woman > to "get a pair of balls" clearly has trouble perceiving women and men > through the same set of filters. And now you involve the deity, albeit as a > free variable. Then you interpret civil (though critical) comments about > your behaviour (rather than about you) as personal bullying. > > I am struggling to understand your world view. S > > Steve Holden > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Richard Smith <richard(a)indigo3.com> > wrote: > > > On Wed, 7 Dec 2016 at 12:33 Daniele Procida <daniele(a)vurt.org> wrote: > > > >> So, you are literally saying that the only way to get by here is by > being > >> a man. > >> > >> I see Sophie's problem all too clearly. > > > > > > *blink*[0] > > > > Words escape me to explain quite how moronic that statement is. Let me > > rephrase for your benefit[1]: > > > > For getattr(universe, 'deity')'s sake, grow up and talk to people. > > > > Now who's getting personal and going off on the bullying. That's > enough... > > I'm out of here. > > > > ~ Rich > > > > [0] I know, I said I wouldn't contribute further, but this entire > response > > requires something > > [1] I honestly can't believe you think *that* has any bearing on my > > opinion or thinking. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > python-uk mailing list > > python-uk(a)python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > > >

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Re: [python-uk] python-uk Digest, Vol 160, Issue 13
by Sophie Hendley Dec. 7, 2016

Dec. 7, 2016

Hey Guys, I would really like to put an end to this now as everyone is busy, plus its slightly depressing watching people who don;t know me at all say mean things about me on here. As a response to anyone thinking we recruiters are lazy etc I would like to say its very hard to write something that pleases everyone in an advert. I wrote a very brief description because I didn't want to send a huge email which you very busy people might not have time to fully process. My intent was purely to catch anyone who was open to something news attention then as mentioned they could get in touch and we could have a nice long chat about the roles over the phone. I have had complaints from people before both about saying too little and too much in an advert and you can't please everyone. In fact Linkedin tells us constantly as recruiters we should keep it short and sweet as evidence suggests that yields a better response. I have been working in recruitment for 8 years and I know that we have a bad reputation but I think its obvious to most you shouldn't judge everyone by the same standard (if we did the names I've been called on here might make me dislike every developer I ever met). I love my job and I always try to do it as honestly and professionally as possible. I will endeavour to send more info next time as I can see the people on the group would like that. Thanks everyone and have a good day. On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 11:08 AM, <python-uk-request(a)python.org> wrote: > Send python-uk mailing list submissions to > python-uk(a)python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > python-uk-request(a)python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > python-uk-owner(a)python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of python-uk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to ?95k > (Cory Benfield (Lukasa)) > 2. Re: 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to ?95k > (Kaitlyn Tierney) > 3. Re: 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to ?95k > (David Wilson) > 4. Re: 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to ?95k > (Nick Murdoch) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 10:55:31 +0000 > From: "Cory Benfield (Lukasa)" <lukasaoz(a)gmail.com> > To: UK Python Users <python-uk(a)python.org> > Subject: Re: [python-uk] 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to > ?95k > Message-ID: <496A43CE-B702-4C50-997C-BAB833FA565E(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > On 7 Dec 2016, at 10:31, Richard Smith <richard(a)indigo3.com> wrote: > > > > What was rude about it? We should expect recruitment agents to do a > little work to gain our trust. There are far too many bad agents in the > world who think it's acceptable to cold-call, spam, bully, edit CVs, fake > candidates and many underhanded activities. > > What was rude about it? I will quote you back to yourself: > > > It was clear from the OPs post that no thought was put into making the > post > > and that her intention was simply to float it out there to get some fish > > biting. > > > > Had Sophie made an effort, perhaps I might have been more accommodating. > As > > it stands, I've no interest in dealing with lazy recruitment agents. > > In these two paragraphs you assert that Sophie is lazy, cynical, and > opportunistic. Those assertions are rude. They make no effort to assume the > best of other people. They judge a human being?s actions through the lens > of their job title alone. That kind of behaviour is uncharitable, and it is > rude, and it is frankly below us as a community. While I?m here, I should > note that your claim that you weren?t being rude is followed by a > discussion about ?bad agents [?] who think it?s acceptable to cold-call, > spam, bully, edit CVs, fake candidates, and many underhanded activities?, > when even a most charitable reading of this situation gives you enough > evidence to accuse OP of *at most* spamming. > > Your disinterest in dealing with lazy recruitment agents is best dealt > with by marking the mail as read, adding the sender to a block list, and > moving on. But the fact that you feel personally aggrieved by recruiter > behaviour does not justify this rant. If you would like to discuss whether > recruiter mail should be allowed on this mailing list, feel free. However, > you should try to avoid making it personal. Criticise the work, not the > messenger. And if I?m wrong about your motives and you genuinely do want to > criticise OP, you should be up-front about that rather than pretending you > aren?t doing it, and then you should expect that other people on the > mailing list will call you out when you do it. > > This nonsense is why communities feel the need to put codes of conduct in > place. The original incident is long over, with all relevant people having > apologised for the various miscommunications. No bad intent was had on > either side: it was a classic miscommunication. The incident itself > required no CoC to resolve. But rather than let this lie, you appear to > have felt the need to make the principled stand that no apology was needed > because recruiters are bad people who deserve to be mocked. If that?s your > position, then you find yourself at odds with the norms on this list, which > allow job posts. You should feel free to change that norm, but you should > not assume that you have carte blanche to unload on each recruiter that > comes by. Do what the rest of us do and just *ignore it*. > > Cory > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 10:57:51 +0000 > From: Kaitlyn Tierney <kaitlyn.means(a)gmail.com> > To: UK Python Users <python-uk(a)python.org> > Subject: Re: [python-uk] 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to > ?95k > Message-ID: <D93DC135-A3B1-46DD-A94D-4D7B225339EE(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I think this is exchange is clear proof that the list requires a Code of > Conduct. Does the list-owner agree, and if so, can we discuss a process for > enacting one to move this conversation in a more productive direction? > > Kaitlyn > > > On 7 Dec 2016, at 10:55, Cory Benfield (Lukasa) <lukasaoz(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > >> On 7 Dec 2016, at 10:31, Richard Smith <richard(a)indigo3.com> wrote: > >> > >> What was rude about it? We should expect recruitment agents to do a > little work to gain our trust. There are far too many bad agents in the > world who think it's acceptable to cold-call, spam, bully, edit CVs, fake > candidates and many underhanded activities. > > > > What was rude about it? I will quote you back to yourself: > > > >> It was clear from the OPs post that no thought was put into making the > post > >> and that her intention was simply to float it out there to get some fish > >> biting. > >> > >> Had Sophie made an effort, perhaps I might have been more > accommodating. As > >> it stands, I've no interest in dealing with lazy recruitment agents. > > > > In these two paragraphs you assert that Sophie is lazy, cynical, and > opportunistic. Those assertions are rude. They make no effort to assume the > best of other people. They judge a human being?s actions through the lens > of their job title alone. That kind of behaviour is uncharitable, and it is > rude, and it is frankly below us as a community. While I?m here, I should > note that your claim that you weren?t being rude is followed by a > discussion about ?bad agents [?] who think it?s acceptable to cold-call, > spam, bully, edit CVs, fake candidates, and many underhanded activities?, > when even a most charitable reading of this situation gives you enough > evidence to accuse OP of *at most* spamming. > > > > Your disinterest in dealing with lazy recruitment agents is best dealt > with by marking the mail as read, adding the sender to a block list, and > moving on. But the fact that you feel personally aggrieved by recruiter > behaviour does not justify this rant. If you would like to discuss whether > recruiter mail should be allowed on this mailing list, feel free. However, > you should try to avoid making it personal. Criticise the work, not the > messenger. And if I?m wrong about your motives and you genuinely do want to > criticise OP, you should be up-front about that rather than pretending you > aren?t doing it, and then you should expect that other people on the > mailing list will call you out when you do it. > > > > This nonsense is why communities feel the need to put codes of conduct > in place. The original incident is long over, with all relevant people > having apologised for the various miscommunications. No bad intent was had > on either side: it was a classic miscommunication. The incident itself > required no CoC to resolve. But rather than let this lie, you appear to > have felt the need to make the principled stand that no apology was needed > because recruiters are bad people who deserve to be mocked. If that?s your > position, then you find yourself at odds with the norms on this list, which > allow job posts. You should feel free to change that norm, but you should > not assume that you have carte blanche to unload on each recruiter that > comes by. Do what the rest of us do and just *ignore it*. > > > > Cory > > _______________________________________________ > > python-uk mailing list > > python-uk(a)python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 11:00:54 +0000 > From: David Wilson <dw+python-uk(a)hmmz.org> > To: UK Python Users <python-uk(a)python.org> > Subject: Re: [python-uk] 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to > ?95k > Message-ID: <20161207110054.GG13262@k3> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Wed, Dec 07, 2016 at 10:31:56AM +0000, Richard Smith wrote: > > > Ok, lets take the position it wasn't spam. If you received the OPs > > email, directly, would you require a little more information in the > > post other than a technology stack and a carrot on a stick? > > The way this generally works is to forward a generic CV, wait an hour, > receive a phone call, then ask every question on your mind. As for why > it works that way, well, at least recruiters generally have much more to > lose by sharing their client's name than you do a generic CV. > > It sucks but it's the way it is, and anyway it's not that much of a > hurdle to cross, not least since often things will be shared by > telephone that nobody in their right mind would commit to page. > > The only recruiters who don't follow this pattern are generally those > working directly for a company, or perhaps less commonly, those with an > exclusive agreement or structure to provide services to their client, > and if you only accept solicitation from those then you'd be ignoring > 90% of the work out there. > > (I hate to find myself defending that industry, but in this case it > seems fair) > > > David > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 11:08:37 +0000 > From: Nick Murdoch <nick(a)nivan.net> > To: UK Python Users <python-uk(a)python.org> > Subject: Re: [python-uk] 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to > ?95k > Message-ID: <20161207110837.GF4803@debian> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > On Wed, Dec 07, 2016 at 10:57:51AM +0000, Kaitlyn Tierney wrote: > > I think this is exchange is clear proof that the list requires a Code of > Conduct. Does the list-owner agree, and if so, can we discuss a process for > enacting one to move this conversation in a more productive direction? > > +1 > > > Kaitlyn > > > > > On 7 Dec 2016, at 10:55, Cory Benfield (Lukasa) <lukasaoz(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> On 7 Dec 2016, at 10:31, Richard Smith <richard(a)indigo3.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> What was rude about it? We should expect recruitment agents to do a > little work to gain our trust. There are far too many bad agents in the > world who think it's acceptable to cold-call, spam, bully, edit CVs, fake > candidates and many underhanded activities. > > > > > > What was rude about it? I will quote you back to yourself: > > > > > >> It was clear from the OPs post that no thought was put into making > the post > > >> and that her intention was simply to float it out there to get some > fish > > >> biting. > > >> > > >> Had Sophie made an effort, perhaps I might have been more > accommodating. As > > >> it stands, I've no interest in dealing with lazy recruitment agents. > > > > > > In these two paragraphs you assert that Sophie is lazy, cynical, and > opportunistic. Those assertions are rude. They make no effort to assume the > best of other people. They judge a human being?s actions through the lens > of their job title alone. That kind of behaviour is uncharitable, and it is > rude, and it is frankly below us as a community. While I?m here, I should > note that your claim that you weren?t being rude is followed by a > discussion about ?bad agents [?] who think it?s acceptable to cold-call, > spam, bully, edit CVs, fake candidates, and many underhanded activities?, > when even a most charitable reading of this situation gives you enough > evidence to accuse OP of *at most* spamming. > > > > > > Your disinterest in dealing with lazy recruitment agents is best dealt > with by marking the mail as read, adding the sender to a block list, and > moving on. But the fact that you feel personally aggrieved by recruiter > behaviour does not justify this rant. If you would like to discuss whether > recruiter mail should be allowed on this mailing list, feel free. However, > you should try to avoid making it personal. Criticise the work, not the > messenger. And if I?m wrong about your motives and you genuinely do want to > criticise OP, you should be up-front about that rather than pretending you > aren?t doing it, and then you should expect that other people on the > mailing list will call you out when you do it. > > > > > > This nonsense is why communities feel the need to put codes of conduct > in place. The original incident is long over, with all relevant people > having apologised for the various miscommunications. No bad intent was had > on either side: it was a classic miscommunication. The incident itself > required no CoC to resolve. But rather than let this lie, you appear to > have felt the need to make the principled stand that no apology was needed > because recruiters are bad people who deserve to be mocked. If that?s your > position, then you find yourself at odds with the norms on this list, which > allow job posts. You should feel free to change that norm, but you should > not assume that you have carte blanche to unload on each recruiter that > comes by. Do what the rest of us do and just *ignore it*. > > > > > > Cory > > > _______________________________________________ > > > python-uk mailing list > > > python-uk(a)python.org > > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > > _______________________________________________ > > python-uk mailing list > > python-uk(a)python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk(a)python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > ------------------------------ > > End of python-uk Digest, Vol 160, Issue 13 > ****************************************** > -- Sophie Hendley| Principal Consultant| Digital Vision *M:* 07505145903 *E: *sophie.hendley(a)digvis.co.uk *W:* www.digvis.co.uk Sponsor me please!!!!- https://www.justgiving.com/sophiehendley/

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