Re: [Pythonedu-wg] Pythonedu-wg Digest, Vol 4, Issue 1
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ian Harcombe <ian.harcombe@gmail.com> To: pythonedu-wg@python.org Cc: Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 18:08:32 +0000 Subject: Re: [Pythonedu-wg] Pythonedu-wg Digest, Vol 3, Issue 10
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dave Ames <david.john.ames@gmail.com> To: "Nicholas H.Tollervey" <ntoll@ntoll.org>, pythonedu-wg@python.org Cc: Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 23:48:06 +0000 Subject: Re: [Pythonedu-wg] A new, kid-friendly Python editor
On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 20:50 Nicholas H.Tollervey <ntoll@ntoll.org> wrote:
On 22/09/15 17:46, Dave Ames wrote:
I would suspect that (rightly or wrongly) most school network technicians would be extremely wary of giving students access to a system shell of any kind.
Then most school network technicians are fools and should not have ANY input in such decisions.
NOTE: I'm highly biased about this. ;-)
N.
Absolutely no disagreement from me there. If they've configured everything correctly then access to the command line for students, should present absolutely no threat to the network. But!
The default state is "no command line", even though access to Python/Idle probably gives them at least the same level (if not more) of danger.
Dave
While that's all fine and dandy, students can be very creative (they should, if we've taught them well) and some hacks are fairly easy to research and attempt in a school environment; but the results can be disastrous and inconvenience more than just a few people.
Mind you, having said that, once you have Python installed it is an absolute no-brainer to quickly Google how to run a system command from the interactive shell (as I did last week, to try and help our tech support get PyGame Zero installed) and then the presence or absence of the Windows Command Shell is a non-issue...
Ian Harcombe
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dave Ames <david.john.ames@gmail.com> To: pythonedu-wg@python.org Cc: Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 18:32:02 +0000 Subject: Re: [Pythonedu-wg] Pythonedu-wg Digest, Vol 3, Issue 10 On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 at 19:08 Ian Harcombe <ian.harcombe@gmail.com> wrote:
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From: Dave Ames <david.john.ames@gmail.com> To: "Nicholas H.Tollervey" <ntoll@ntoll.org>, pythonedu-wg@python.org Cc: Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 23:48:06 +0000 Subject: Re: [Pythonedu-wg] A new, kid-friendly Python editor
On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 20:50 Nicholas H.Tollervey <ntoll@ntoll.org> wrote:
On 22/09/15 17:46, Dave Ames wrote:
I would suspect that (rightly or wrongly) most school network technicians would be extremely wary of giving students access to a system shell of any kind.
Then most school network technicians are fools and should not have ANY input in such decisions.
NOTE: I'm highly biased about this. ;-)
N.
Absolutely no disagreement from me there. If they've configured everything correctly then access to the command line for students, should present absolutely no threat to the network. But!
The default state is "no command line", even though access to Python/Idle probably gives them at least the same level (if not more) of danger.
Dave
While that's all fine and dandy, students can be very creative (they should, if we've taught them well) and some hacks are fairly easy to research and attempt in a school environment; but the results can be disastrous and inconvenience more than just a few people.
Mind you, having said that, once you have Python installed it is an absolute no-brainer to quickly Google how to run a system command from the interactive shell (as I did last week, to try and help our tech support get PyGame Zero installed) and then the presence or absence of the Windows Command Shell is a non-issue...
Ian Harcombe
Were you able to get it installed? I ran a workshop using PGZero yesterday at our CAS Regional Conference and discussed the fact that by default none of the teacher had access to the Command Line on their networks.
Cheers Dave Ames
Dave,
Getting there - what I've done is get it running on the admin account, then show tech support how to "bodge" the need for a command line by associating a slightly different extension (I've gone for .pyz instead of just .py) with the pgzrun executable. That seems to work, so on my account I can double-click a .pgz file and it fires up the PyGame Zero loader.
I've left it to them to figure out if they roll out a suitable registry update to all students...
Ian Harcombe
Ian
That's a novel solution. I like it. Do you lose syntax highlighting in Idle as a result?
Dave
On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 at 20:21 Ian Harcombe <ian.harcombe@gmail.com> wrote:
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From: Ian Harcombe <ian.harcombe@gmail.com> To: pythonedu-wg@python.org Cc: Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 18:08:32 +0000 Subject: Re: [Pythonedu-wg] Pythonedu-wg Digest, Vol 3, Issue 10
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dave Ames <david.john.ames@gmail.com> To: "Nicholas H.Tollervey" <ntoll@ntoll.org>, pythonedu-wg@python.org Cc: Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 23:48:06 +0000 Subject: Re: [Pythonedu-wg] A new, kid-friendly Python editor
On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 20:50 Nicholas H.Tollervey <ntoll@ntoll.org> wrote:
On 22/09/15 17:46, Dave Ames wrote:
I would suspect that (rightly or wrongly) most school network technicians would be extremely wary of giving students access to a system shell of any kind.
Then most school network technicians are fools and should not have ANY input in such decisions.
NOTE: I'm highly biased about this. ;-)
N.
Absolutely no disagreement from me there. If they've configured everything correctly then access to the command line for students, should present absolutely no threat to the network. But!
The default state is "no command line", even though access to Python/Idle probably gives them at least the same level (if not more) of danger.
Dave
While that's all fine and dandy, students can be very creative (they should, if we've taught them well) and some hacks are fairly easy to research and attempt in a school environment; but the results can be disastrous and inconvenience more than just a few people.
Mind you, having said that, once you have Python installed it is an absolute no-brainer to quickly Google how to run a system command from the interactive shell (as I did last week, to try and help our tech support get PyGame Zero installed) and then the presence or absence of the Windows Command Shell is a non-issue...
Ian Harcombe
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dave Ames <david.john.ames@gmail.com> To: pythonedu-wg@python.org Cc: Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 18:32:02 +0000 Subject: Re: [Pythonedu-wg] Pythonedu-wg Digest, Vol 3, Issue 10 On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 at 19:08 Ian Harcombe <ian.harcombe@gmail.com> wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Dave Ames <david.john.ames@gmail.com> To: "Nicholas H.Tollervey" <ntoll@ntoll.org>, pythonedu-wg@python.org Cc: Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 23:48:06 +0000 Subject: Re: [Pythonedu-wg] A new, kid-friendly Python editor
On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 20:50 Nicholas H.Tollervey <ntoll@ntoll.org> wrote:
On 22/09/15 17:46, Dave Ames wrote:
I would suspect that (rightly or wrongly) most school network technicians would be extremely wary of giving students access to a system shell of any kind.
Then most school network technicians are fools and should not have ANY input in such decisions.
NOTE: I'm highly biased about this. ;-)
N.
Absolutely no disagreement from me there. If they've configured everything correctly then access to the command line for students, should present absolutely no threat to the network. But!
The default state is "no command line", even though access to Python/Idle probably gives them at least the same level (if not more) of danger.
Dave
While that's all fine and dandy, students can be very creative (they should, if we've taught them well) and some hacks are fairly easy to research and attempt in a school environment; but the results can be disastrous and inconvenience more than just a few people.
Mind you, having said that, once you have Python installed it is an absolute no-brainer to quickly Google how to run a system command from the interactive shell (as I did last week, to try and help our tech support get PyGame Zero installed) and then the presence or absence of the Windows Command Shell is a non-issue...
Ian Harcombe
Were you able to get it installed? I ran a workshop using PGZero yesterday at our CAS Regional Conference and discussed the fact that by default none of the teacher had access to the Command Line on their networks.
Cheers Dave Ames
Dave,
Getting there - what I've done is get it running on the admin account, then show tech support how to "bodge" the need for a command line by associating a slightly different extension (I've gone for .pyz instead of just .py) with the pgzrun executable. That seems to work, so on my account I can double-click a .pgz file and it fires up the PyGame Zero loader.
I've left it to them to figure out if they roll out a suitable registry update to all students...
Ian Harcombe
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