Brian, I would like to encourage you to continue your excellent work on Python.NET. It's my opinion that it will be a _long_ time before IronPython comes close to Python.NET in terms of usability, if ever. Here are some of my reasons for that opinion: 1. JH was hired by MS to work on dynamic languages, not IronPython per se, and consequently, IronPython may not be his first priority. (Why would they want something that would supplant VB?) 2. For IronPython to provide any useful functionality it will either have to directly support the existing Python libraries or these libraries will have to be ported to .NET. Neither of these possibilities can be quickly achieved. 3. MS may decide to leave IronPython as a research project and not publicly support it (as they have done with AsmL and many other internal projects). Basically my point is that Python.NET is great and is immediately useful, and I sincerely hope you don't abandon it. As Rumack said in "Airplane": good luck, we're all counting on you. --Thane _____ From: pythondotnet-bounces@python.org [mailto:pythondotnet-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 9:00 AM To: Fusilier Sebastien-sfus01; pythondotnet@python.org Subject: RE: [Python.NET] How to use "out" or "ref" on method parameter list Hi Sebastien, Unfortunately out and ref params still aren't supported ;( I was thinking that IronPython was going to take off, so I haven't been putting much time into Python for .NET lately. If anyone out there does have the time, MethodBinder.cs is probably the place to hack this in ;) Brian Lloyd brian@zope.com V.P. Engineering 540.361.1716 Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.com/