Very good suggestion. My intention was to get to a point where we are ready with the recent advances with sponsorships and grant applications etc. happening in the project. I think it is important to update the commercial details to signal a proper message to nonPython users who would probably notice these tiny details way better than we do. Then we would be done with the bare essentials and can take our time with the new design should we decide to do so. Hence I see this as a preparation for the long term overhaul and hence the approximation. Other than that you are absolutely right that this is yet another stab without a coherent design brief. On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 2:39 PM Christina Lee <chrissie.c.l@gmail.com> wrote:
As for the font, this also seems like a good moment to take a step back and ask "Why that font?" "What are we trying to achieve with that font?" and "Is there a better one?"
Instead of just choosing a font that is an approximation of the one that has been there forever, this might be a good opportunity to choose something better. I can take a look later on.
Also, we don't need to shrink to a zero size file at the cost of something pixelated that won't make a good impression.
Christina
On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 11:01 AM Ilhan Polat <ilhanpolat@gmail.com> wrote:
Indeed I noticed that too but it seems like the original logo that Stefan linked to is also thin. So there is an alternative somewhere I guess. But I'll try to modify the curve coordinates to make it slightly thicker.
On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 11:09 AM Ralf Gommers <ralf.gommers@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 10:25 AM Ilhan Polat <ilhanpolat@gmail.com> wrote:
OK, before I go pixel frenzy, I'd like to ask if the following is acceptable until we perform a substantial overhaul. This is the current logo
[image: image.png]
Keeping Christina's .org remark in mind, I've selected a sane approximation to our current setup and used the open source (SIL OFL 1.1) font Inter https://rsms.me/inter/ and the semibold weight variant of it. It has a really nice x-height hence still legible in small sizes. Also as you can see it does not suffer from the kerning issues we now have. You can also notice that the Logo snake has a bit less hand-drawnness to it.
[image: image.png]
It's the 3.4 kb version but can be reduced/optimized further. This mail is just for to get feedback. Here is the draft code in case you want to play around with it https://gist.github.com/ilayn/d121ec7deb009a9a257b4813c80dff27 just install the fonts and run it via Xe- or Lua-LaTeX.
Please let me know if there are any objections/corrections/suggestions/design crimes I might have committed.
Looks great, thanks for working on this! The one change I notice that may be a regression is how thin the snake is. A line width closer to the original may work a little better perhaps.
Cheers, Ralf
Best, ilhan
On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 3:34 PM Ralf Gommers <ralf.gommers@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 2:50 PM Christina Lee <chrissie.c.l@gmail.com> wrote:
Quick question, why does it include ".org"? Can't the logo just say "SciPy"?
Thanks Christina, that's a great question. I can't think of a reason, just "SciPy" seems better. Perhaps we've been staring at it for so long that it's not noticeable anymore. Let's change it now.
A good rule of websites is to use svg whenever reasonable. The main logo isn't the only image where doing this could bump up cleanliness. Several other logos on the main page could also use an update. For example, just traced over the download graphic as attached. No more resolution problems, and smaller.
That's great, thank you! Yes, you're right ... and it's not just the logos that could use a makeover, the whole site needs attention.
Cheers, Ralf
On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 12:05 PM Ilhan Polat <ilhanpolat@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Would you be able to make a web-sized image and add it to > scipy-sphinx-theme? > Yes that's not a problem thanks to the vector graphics. The main > concern here is the legibility of the font. I now think that the original > font was ITC franklin medium though. > > Anyways, I have searched for some open source fonts in the meantime > and many curation pages are available online; to give two results from a > quick Google search > > > https://medium.com/sketch-app-sources/30-free-and-open-source-typefaces-rele... > > https://www.forbes.com/sites/allbusiness/2014/03/06/10-best-sans-serif-web-f... > > I am no designer by any means hence take these as availability stats > but we might be better off if we switch to a font with suitable license in > place for a commercial font. Also all feedback and help are welcome. > > Best, > > > > On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 3:10 PM Ralf Gommers <ralf.gommers@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Thanks Stefan & Ilhan! >> >> Scikit-image has the right idea I think with a separate branding >> repo. Shall we create one for SciPy as well? >> >> Ilhan, that looks really good! Would you be able to make a >> web-sized image and add it to scipy-sphinx-theme? The current image is a >> 2.4kb gif, I think it can be larger but as small as possible while still >> looking good would be nice. Because it gets downloaded millions of times a >> month, and also directly adds to the size of the numpy and scipy sdists. >> >> Cheers, >> Ralf >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 10:44 PM Ilhan Polat <ilhanpolat@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> By the way does anyone know what the font logo is? Just by >>> eyeballing it looks like Franklin Gothic but I am not sure. However, if >>> there is a more able typography connoisseur among us, here is the logo >>> ready to be compiled by Xe/LuaLatex. >>> >>> \documentclass[tikz]{standalone} >>> \usepackage{fontspec} >>> \setsansfont{Franklin Gothic Medium} >>> \usetikzlibrary{svg.path} >>> \definecolor{scipylogo}{HTML}{8CAAE6} >>> >>> \begin{document} >>> \begin{tikzpicture}[x=1pt, y=-1pt] >>> >>> \fill[scipylogo] (-50,-75) rectangle (1825, 575) >>> svg[yscale=-1] { >>> M348.369,282.469c-17.398-23.797-43.984-33.719-81.984-41.719 >>> >>> l-35.334-8.332l-26.656-11.432c-14.01-9.902-25.947-36.26-22.559-59.502c5.264-36.006,38.896-61.104,75.127-56.045 >>> >>> c18.094,2.559,33.438,12.139,43.555,25.625l40.117,52.705c22.93,29.531,48.711,38.32,76.758,24.375l14.141-6.016 >>> >>> c1.133-0.527,2.461-0.576,3.75-0.107c1.055,0.41,1.914,1.162,2.422,2.051l2.813,4.238c0.781,1.279,1.953,2.314,3.477,2.891 >>> >>> c2.578,0.977,5.352,0.391,7.305-1.289l32.578-30.723c5.703-4.883,4.023-9.365,4.023-9.365l-7.852-17.881 >>> >>> c0,0-2.148-4.287-9.57-3.301l-43.672,4.014c-2.539,0.361-4.805,2.051-5.781,4.629c-0.586,1.504-0.625,3.076-0.195,4.502 >>> >>> l1.563,5.029c0.313,1.045,0.313,2.217-0.117,3.291c-0.508,1.328-1.523,2.266-2.734,2.764l-12.344,5.225 >>> >>> c-12.93,7.568-27.617,2.734-37.422-9.258l-11.211-14.893l-31.914-42.354c-15.156-20.098-38.008-34.434-65-38.203 >>> >>> c-54.043-7.568-104.199,29.854-112.051,83.584c-3.965,27.08,4.152,52.703,18.965,73.281 >>> >>> c10.762,14.953,30.486,23.496,41.154,26.164l28,8l26.814,6.145c3.688,0.875,14.063,3.438,20.203,5.656 >>> >>> c5.676,2.055,18.75,6.875,29.375,15.57l0,0c12.695,12.906,19.414,31.344,16.563,50.68c-4.805,32.969-35.586,55.938-68.75,51.289 >>> >>> c-16.611-2.305-30.635-11.109-39.922-23.438l-38.32-50.859c-7.813-10.367-19.629-17.773-33.594-19.766 >>> >>> c-13.945-1.953-27.441,1.914-37.9,9.75l-80.615,60.156C11.455,333.914,0,292.898,0,249.266C0,111.621,113.926,0,254.443,0 >>> >>> c104.629,0,194.434,61.855,233.535,150.254l12.891-5.996l8.711-23.809l9.141,3.203l-7.852,21.289l21.758,7.5l-3.281,8.916 >>> >>> l-24.297-8.486l-13.398,6.162c11.094,27.998,17.266,58.398,17.266,90.232c0,137.656-113.945,249.258-254.473,249.258 >>> >>> c-84.414,0-159.229-40.289-205.508-102.281l82.578-61.898c3.779-2.578,8.467-3.75,13.33-3.086 >>> >>> c5.176,0.742,9.58,3.461,12.471,7.305l40.537,54.477c14.277,17.516,35.02,29.922,59.307,33.336 >>> >>> c51.094,7.148,98.516-28.242,105.938-79.063C366.533,323.664,360.752,300.828,348.369,282.469}; >>> >>> \node[anchor=east, >>> text=white, >>> font=\sffamily, >>> scale=30, >>> outer sep=0pt, >>> inner sep=0pt] (scipyorg) at (1750,250) {SciPy.org}; >>> \end{tikzpicture} >>> \end{document} >>> >>> This code gives on my system >>> >>> [image: image.png] >>> >>> "i" and "P" needs a slight nudge to each other but that means the >>> font is correct. Hence my question. Also you can play around and enjoy some >>> TeX kerning/positioning/scaling bonanza yourself. I'll let Ralf to be the >>> judge :) >>> >>> Best, >>> ilhan >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 8:09 PM Ilhan Polat <ilhanpolat@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Perfect! Thanks. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 7:44 PM Stefan van der Walt < >>>> stefanv@berkeley.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Found it and uploaded to GitHub: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://github.com/scikit-image/skimage-branding/blob/master/logo/scipy.svg >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 10:26:00 -0700, Stefan van der Walt wrote: >>>>> > On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 23:49:03 +0200, Ralf Gommers wrote: >>>>> > > Does anyone have the original files from which the current >>>>> logo on scipy.org >>>>> > > (it has the scipy symbol, white letter scipy.org and >>>>> "sponsored by >>>>> > > Enthough") was created? The quality is not great, and >>>>> editing a tiny gif >>>>> > > doesn't make it better .... >>>>> > >>>>> > I don't have the vector art, but I have a higher resolution >>>>> render: >>>>> > >>>>> https://github.com/scikit-image/skimage-branding/blob/master/logo/data/scipy... >>>>> > >>>>> > Stéfan >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SciPy-Dev mailing list >>>>> SciPy-Dev@python.org >>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/scipy-dev >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> SciPy-Dev mailing list >>> SciPy-Dev@python.org >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/scipy-dev >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SciPy-Dev mailing list >> SciPy-Dev@python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/scipy-dev >> > _______________________________________________ > SciPy-Dev mailing list > SciPy-Dev@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/scipy-dev > _______________________________________________ SciPy-Dev mailing list SciPy-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/scipy-dev
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