Retiring wiki.scipy.org?
Hi, I've been looking through the stuff that was on wiki.scipy.org, and it appears it would be the time to retire it. cf. http://pav.iki.fi/tmp/to-be-removed/localhost_8080/AllPages.html for the actual material that is there. I have the impression that: (1) Most of the material that is useful has been moved elsewhere. The download instructions, topical software, etc. are moved to scipy.org and/or numpy/scipy documentation. The Numpy/Scipy tutorials that were there have mostly been subsumed in the Numpy/Scipy documentation, or superceded by better resources elsewhere eg. scipy-lectures.org. "Numpy for Matlab users" was just added there too. The Cookbook section was converted to IPython notebooks some years ago: https://github.com/pv/SciPy-CookBook However, several of these are not so relevant today. (2) The relevance of what's left is not so clear. The rest of the content seems fairly miscellaneous. Recipes from converting code from Numeric/numarray are probably not highly useful any more. If you know something valuable there not listed above, it would be useful to point it out. Excluding edits to front/download/etc pages that are nowadays on github/scipy/scipy.org, the wiki was edited 95 times in the last 5 years; and 2 times within the last 2 years. (3) Would having a wiki be useful? Based on the content there it's not clear if there is a need for a wiki nowadays --- people can just put stuff up on github/bitbucket/pypi and blog about it. It might be useful to have a "cookbook" collection, but a github repository with ipython notebooks, or Scipy Central, sound like better solutions for today than a wiki. Thoughts? In view of the above, I would remove links to wiki.scipy.org regardless, https://github.com/scipy/scipy.org/pull/121 -- Pauli Virtanen
On Oct 25, 2015 10:54 AM, "Pauli Virtanen" <pav@iki.fi> wrote:
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If you know something valuable there not listed above, it would be useful to point it out.
Might also make sense to toss one of the content dumps into a github repo (scipy/old-wiki.scipy.org or whatever) to serve as a long term archive just in case someone later realizes that want something from it after all. -n
On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 6:54 PM, Pauli Virtanen <pav@iki.fi> wrote:
Hi,
I've been looking through the stuff that was on wiki.scipy.org, and it appears it would be the time to retire it.
cf. http://pav.iki.fi/tmp/to-be-removed/localhost_8080/AllPages.html for the actual material that is there.
I have the impression that:
(1) Most of the material that is useful has been moved elsewhere.
The download instructions, topical software, etc. are moved to scipy.org and/or numpy/scipy documentation.
The Numpy/Scipy tutorials that were there have mostly been subsumed in the Numpy/Scipy documentation, or superceded by better resources elsewhere eg. scipy-lectures.org. "Numpy for Matlab users" was just added there too.
The Cookbook section was converted to IPython notebooks some years ago: https://github.com/pv/SciPy-CookBook However, several of these are not so relevant today.
(2) The relevance of what's left is not so clear.
The rest of the content seems fairly miscellaneous. Recipes from converting code from Numeric/numarray are probably not highly useful any more.
If you know something valuable there not listed above, it would be useful to point it out.
Excluding edits to front/download/etc pages that are nowadays on github/scipy/scipy.org, the wiki was edited 95 times in the last 5 years; and 2 times within the last 2 years.
Agreed, even in the converted material there's a lot that's not relevant anymore. What wasn't converted is even less relevant. There were some comments on the issue tracker about people looking for specific pages, so making a dump of everything available somewhere like Nathaniel suggested makes sense I think. (3) Would having a wiki be useful?
Based on the content there it's not clear if there is a need for a wiki nowadays --- people can just put stuff up on github/bitbucket/pypi and blog about it.
It might be useful to have a "cookbook" collection, but a github repository with ipython notebooks, or Scipy Central, sound like better solutions for today than a wiki.
Thoughts?
I also had a look at visitor stats (see http://www.easycounter.com/report/scipy.org). Conclusion: scipy.org is a very active domain (global rank around 25000), but wiki.scipy.org only accounts for 1.65% of the total. That's still 3450 page views a day though. So putting redirects in for the most popular pages is important. +1 for no wiki anymore Ralf
In view of the above, I would remove links to wiki.scipy.org regardless, https://github.com/scipy/scipy.org/pull/121
On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 5:02 AM, Ralf Gommers <ralf.gommers@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 6:54 PM, Pauli Virtanen <pav@iki.fi> wrote:
Hi,
I've been looking through the stuff that was on wiki.scipy.org, and it appears it would be the time to retire it.
cf. http://pav.iki.fi/tmp/to-be-removed/localhost_8080/AllPages.html for the actual material that is there.
I have the impression that:
(1) Most of the material that is useful has been moved elsewhere.
The download instructions, topical software, etc. are moved to scipy.org and/or numpy/scipy documentation.
The Numpy/Scipy tutorials that were there have mostly been subsumed in the Numpy/Scipy documentation, or superceded by better resources elsewhere eg. scipy-lectures.org. "Numpy for Matlab users" was just added there too.
The Cookbook section was converted to IPython notebooks some years ago: https://github.com/pv/SciPy-CookBook However, several of these are not so relevant today.
(2) The relevance of what's left is not so clear.
The rest of the content seems fairly miscellaneous. Recipes from converting code from Numeric/numarray are probably not highly useful any more.
If you know something valuable there not listed above, it would be useful to point it out.
Excluding edits to front/download/etc pages that are nowadays on github/scipy/scipy.org, the wiki was edited 95 times in the last 5 years; and 2 times within the last 2 years.
Agreed, even in the converted material there's a lot that's not relevant anymore. What wasn't converted is even less relevant.
There were some comments on the issue tracker about people looking for specific pages, so making a dump of everything available somewhere like Nathaniel suggested makes sense I think.
(3) Would having a wiki be useful?
Based on the content there it's not clear if there is a need for a wiki nowadays --- people can just put stuff up on github/bitbucket/pypi and blog about it.
It might be useful to have a "cookbook" collection, but a github repository with ipython notebooks, or Scipy Central, sound like better solutions for today than a wiki.
Thoughts?
I also had a look at visitor stats (see http://www.easycounter.com/report/scipy.org). Conclusion: scipy.org is a very active domain (global rank around 25000), but wiki.scipy.org only accounts for 1.65% of the total. That's still 3450 page views a day though. So putting redirects in for the most popular pages is important.
+1 for no wiki anymore
Concrete proposal: - take @rkern's dump of the underlying wiki data, and dump it into a git repo at github.com/scipy/old-wiki for archival purposes - take @pv's scrape of the rendered html pages, and dump them into the same repo, but on the gh-pages branch This will make the rendered HTML pages available at http://scipy.github.io/old-wiki/, and we can point people there when necessary. And puts the both the raw data and the readable versions onto infrastructure that someone else will worry about maintaining :-). -n -- Nathaniel J. Smith -- http://vorpus.org
Mon, 02 Nov 2015 18:06:51 -0800, Nathaniel Smith kirjoitti: [clip]
Concrete proposal:
- take @rkern's dump of the underlying wiki data, and dump it into a git repo at github.com/scipy/old-wiki for archival purposes - take @pv's scrape of the rendered html pages, and dump them into the same repo, but on the gh-pages branch
Tuumasta toimeen: https://github.com/scipy/old-wiki/ The dump file itself was too large for Github (100M limit), so it's there as a "release" binary file. -- Pauli Virtanen
On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Pauli Virtanen <pav@iki.fi> wrote:
Mon, 02 Nov 2015 18:06:51 -0800, Nathaniel Smith kirjoitti: [clip]
Concrete proposal:
- take @rkern's dump of the underlying wiki data, and dump it into a git repo at github.com/scipy/old-wiki for archival purposes - take @pv's scrape of the rendered html pages, and dump them into the same repo, but on the gh-pages branch
Tuumasta toimeen: https://github.com/scipy/old-wiki/
The dump file itself was too large for Github (100M limit), so it's there as a "release" binary file.
Awesome! -n -- Nathaniel J. Smith -- http://vorpus.org
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