Mailman 3 March 2004 - spambayes-dev

Spambayes on Windows XP
by Manuel March 29, 2004

March 29, 2004

First: Excuse my bad english, I'am from Spain I've installed Spambayes on my Windows XP machine, but I need the outlook add-in for all machine users. I've tried the solution that you hint at http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/spambayes/spambayes/Outlook 2000/docs/troubleshooting.html?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/html#register-all- users But results an error: "Dllname was loaded, but the DllRegisterServer or DllUnregisterServer entry point was not found" and i can't load de COM Addin in Outlook (Outlook 2003). What can i do? I would like to use your program. Thanks.

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Moving database from Outlook plugin to POP3 server?
by TP Diffenbach March 27, 2004

March 27, 2004

I've had it with Outlook: if it's not viruses, it's iframes, if it's not iframes it's being constantly asked if I /really/ want to change format from HTML mail (I always do, it never learns), if it's not HTML mail it's Outlook's belief that nearly every user interface decision needs to be accompanied by beeps -(even pressing the down arrow redundantly wins me a beep) and on and on -- and on. Please understand that this is /NOT/ a reaction to the SpamBayes Outlook plugin -- the only problem I've had with the plugin is that it does make Outlook think that mail is no longer in the Inbox, even when the mail's not been moved, when accessed from the notification pop-up. But that's minor, and the convenience of being able to train within email client has kept me using Outlook far longer than I would otherwise have -- this isn't a SpamBayes plugin problem, it's accumulated frustration with Outlook. That said, my databases contain 1500 hams and 3600 spams, and I'd like to preserve that in my move. I'll be moving to Mozilla Thunderbird, primarily because it's free, Free, and cross-platform. I plan to export all mail currently in Outlook to Thunderbird. Given that, how can i best preserve (or re-capitulate) what's in my corpus? Oh, I'n perfectly happy with compiling my own SpamBayes if need be, or even doing minor hacking at it, if required to move the db. Thanks for your time & attention -- I realize I'm asking in what is primarily a developer's list. --Tom

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RE: [spambayes-dev] Open relay, and new release?
by Tony Meyer March 26, 2004

March 26, 2004

> I will check out the issue with the incorrect pythoncomxx.dll > being used. I *thought* I already went through this, making > sure the right one was used even when others existed in system32. I'm not sure how closely you're monitoring the bug reports at the moment, so in case you're not: Someone that had this problem searched for all instances of the pythoncom dll, found two, and replaced the system one with the spambayes one, and the problem went away (although who knows what other trouble that will cause!). Another user, reading the comment, did the same thing, and his problem went away, too. Seems pretty certain that this is a problem, then. Apart from this, I don't have anything that I feel needs doing before a new release (other than deciding on a version number <wink>). =Tony Meyer

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Re: [spambayes-dev] cant live without xmlrpcserver
by Phillip J. Eby March 25, 2004

March 25, 2004

>From: Toby Dickenson <tdickenson(a)geminidataloggers.com> >Subject: Re: [spambayes-dev] cant live without xmlrpcserver > >On Wednesday 24 March 2004 14:28, Skip Montanaro wrote: > > I think you'd still take a startup overhead hit if you didn't code your > > sb_filter proxy in C. > >True. Ive just measured 778ms to classify a mail using sb_filter, against >234ms using sb_client. Thats a modest saving. > >If I stop the server and rerun sb_client it predictably terminates with a >'Connection refused'. Getting that far takes 219ms; I guess most of that >could be saved using C and a lighter protocol than xmlrpc. Have you considered ReadyExec? http://readyexec.sourceforge.net/ It's a C client and a Python library for running more-or-less arbitrary Python programs as daemons, using Unix-domain sockets. It doesn't automatically start the daemon, but you might be able to add that. Meanwhile, the C client is extremely small and should be quite fast. The "protocol" is also simple and fast: stdin/stdout/stderr are handed to the daemon directly via OS-level file descriptor transfers, and only the command line arguments and environment are pumped over the socket, as netstrings.

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RE: 1.0b1 Release candidates
by Katz, Amir March 25, 2004

March 25, 2004

Installed Proxy version on WinXP and Outlook Express. So far looks good. The minor bug that I reported to Tony ('Notate to' option becoming a radio button) seems to be fixed. Amir -----Original Message----- From: Tony Meyer [mailto:ta-meyer@ihug.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 06:33 To: spambayes-dev(a)python.org Cc: 'Katz, Amir' Subject: 1.0b1 Release candidates Here are release candidate 1's for 1.0b1. If you've got some time to try out the one appropriate for you before Mark gets back next week, that would be great. Note that the ActivePython pythoncom.dll problem still exists with the binary - I'm leaving this for Mark. This is from CVS 24/3/4 16:28+1200. The changelog/what's new has all the details about what's different since 1.0a9 (a few small bugs, the open relay problem, various imapfilter problems). Enjoy :) <http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/spambayes-1.0b1rc1.zip> <http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/spambayes-1.0b1rc1.tar.gz> <http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/spambayes-1.0b1rc1.exe> =Tony Meyer

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cant live without xmlrpcserver
by Toby Dickenson March 25, 2004

March 25, 2004

I run spambayes out of procmail. Originally I used xmlrpcserver, but eventually gave it up to avoid issues with daemon issues; starting the daemon running, remembering to restart it after hacking spambayes code, and issues of having my large daemon running even when I wasnt logged in. Since giving it up I have noticed (but not measured) a reduction in classification throughput. I guess this is due to overheads of starting a whole new process for each classification. What I *think* I want is an sb_filter-like process that will use an existing sb_xmlrpcserver daemon if it can, start a new deamon if it cant, and the deamon to shut itself down after a period of inactivity. Has anyone else any desires (or code ;-) for something similar? -- Toby Dickenson

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FAQ addition request
by Miller, Scott L (Omaha Networks) March 24, 2004

March 24, 2004

Hi all, I've just begun using SpamBayes, Kudo's to all who've worked on it, especially the Outlook plugin. It installed cleanly and works as advertised by the overview/FAQ's. I currently have two suggestions for improvement in the documentation area: The first deals with the Outlook plugin FAQ. The FAQ makes a big deal about SpamBayes being able to work with both POP3 and IMAP. Now I used to be a Coder, still do some, but I am now a Network Designer/Engineer, so I understand what these do, at least at a high level. But I've never stopped to think about what (potentially convoluted) protocol M$ Outlook used to communicate with an Exchange server. I still haven't cared enough to find out either. But it is/was not clear to me that SpamBayes would work with an Exchange server. Even with the terse "Yes" answer to that question. Given the amount of time spent on POP3 and IMAP possibilities, the FAQ should really treat this question better, or have the Windows overview page answer this a bit more authoritatively. Suggestion for the overview page under General Information: "The Outlook addin is an application of the SpamBayes project. To our knowledge, the current version of the plug-in should work with Windows 98 and above and Outlook 2000 or above. The plug-in works with POP3 and Exchange servers. You may be able..." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Suggestion for the FAQ: "3.3 Will SpamBayes work with Outlook 2000 connecting to an Exchange 2000 server?" <explain how Outlook/Exchange communicate> The SpamBayes Outlook plug-in simply watches the Inbox, and optionally others, for new mail and attempts to apply it's rule set to those messages. Thus it doesn't attempt to get between Outlook and Exchange, so there is no problem working with the above discussed delivery mechanism." <at least this is my current understanding of what the plug in is doing according to the options available to me.> My second suggestion is that, either in the FAQ or a new "anomaly" section, there needs to be an explaination of why "Undeliverable" messages are considered to be "unfilterable". It took me quite a while to finally find a semi-cryptic email about how it was initially thought that Undeliverable messages were thought to be something that should not be filtered as the user should always be notified if their sent email had problems. This belief may be changing due to the myriad virus strains that are forging the "from" fields, and of which my compaq.com address has been widely used since the first such strains hit mid January. Thus, I'd really like to be able to filter those out, but then the problem becomes how does one distinguish real "undeliverable" messages from "undeliverable" due to forged virus messages? Which is likely beyond the scope of the SpamBayes utilities... Thanks for your consideration, -Scott L. Miller

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1.0b1 Release candidates
by Tony Meyer March 24, 2004

March 24, 2004

Here are release candidate 1's for 1.0b1. If you've got some time to try out the one appropriate for you before Mark gets back next week, that would be great. Note that the ActivePython pythoncom.dll problem still exists with the binary - I'm leaving this for Mark. This is from CVS 24/3/4 16:28+1200. The changelog/what's new has all the details about what's different since 1.0a9 (a few small bugs, the open relay problem, various imapfilter problems). Enjoy :) <http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/spambayes-1.0b1rc1.zip> <http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/spambayes-1.0b1rc1.tar.gz> <http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/spambayes-1.0b1rc1.exe> =Tony Meyer

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RE: [spambayes-dev] Open relay, and new release?
by Tony Meyer March 23, 2004

March 23, 2004

> And finally, I'm off for a week holiday. I tried to get a build out > (including a hand-modified string resource), but for some reason it is > failing to work for me. I'm out of time to debug this, so > I'm afraid it will have to wait. It seems (from Thomas and Trent's replies) that this will all be nicely resolved once Mark is back, so we'll be able to put out a release hopefully early next week. Does anyone have anything they want in it that's not already in cvs? If not, then I'll put together release candidates (with the caveat that people testing the Outlook binary shouldn't have ActivePython installed) tomorrow and post a link here. That gives us all four or five days to give them a spin, if we've got the time. And of course, someone please make a call on whether this is 1.0a10 or 1.0b1 <wink>. I'm sure Mark would prefer 1.0b1, since plug-in users tend to call the releases things like 0.9, and 0.10 looks a lot like 0.1! :) =Tony Meyer

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Help with ui.html and ui_html.py
by papaDoc March 22, 2004

March 22, 2004

Hi, I'm trying to add a column in the review page of sb_server. The column is the current score (Can be different of the message score if I do some training). The problem I can see my change. I browsed the mailing list archive and found I need to regenerate the ui_html.py with resource_package. So where is resource_package ? I found on the web resourcepackage (http://resourcepackage.sourceforge.net/) but I'm not sure this is the right tools. Remi -- /"\ \ / X ASCII Ribbon Campaign / \ Against HTML Email

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