Mailman 3 September 2004 - spambayes-dev

RE: [spambayes-dev] 1.0 Build Testing (please!)
by Tony Meyer Sept. 22, 2004

Sept. 22, 2004

[Richie] > This is because SHGetFolderPath isn't available on Win98 pre-IE5. I > don't know whether we care about that - there are probably no such > machines in the real world. I don't care :) Given that this isn't new, I'm guessing that it's not much of an issue. > That's why I keep a clean machine in VMWare. I'm not familiar with VMWare. Is it the stuff at www.vmware.com? > It's not cheap (even when you're paying in UK pounds 8-) > but it pays for itself in saved time by preventing this > kind of thing from happening. I probably can't justify it, sadly, since SpamBayes is really my only use case. It's pretty rare that I create anything else that needs to be used outside of my own systems. I gather you would do the actual build in VMWare, and not just testing? (This is rather off-topic, but I'm curious). =Tony Meyer

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RE: [spambayes-dev] RE: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
by Tony Meyer Sept. 22, 2004

Sept. 22, 2004

[Tony] >> This (and VERP) was the clue I needed, though (thanks!). The >> (relevant) headers of the attached (bounced) messages are (for one >> such message): [Seth] > I didn't get an attachment either from the direct email from > you or from the list. Try again? Re-reading that, I see it's rather unclear. By attached, I meant attached to the bounce messages, not attached to the message I was sending. > was the culprit, but you can't tell without the rest of it. > As an interesting aside, I don't seem to get any such bounce > messages when I post, unless I'm failing to notice them in my > spam folder. Hmm...back to the 'just me' scenario. Does anyone else get these? It's just for any message posted to spambayes(a)python.org (not this list). > The scenario sounds like when you post to the list, the list > distributes the mail and then some broken MTA bounces back to > the original poster instead of the list. Yes, I agree. > This is the > most likely scenario for what you describe, and deleting the > user is definitely in order. If you want to be really nice, > you could write a note to the postmaster for the bouncing > domain [...] I'm out of time this week, but will do this (both) next week. > I'm still curious why only a few of the list postings get > distributed with a VERP address and the rest don't. Any idea on this? No, I've avoided commenting on that because I'm completely ignorant. I'm only guessing, but I presume that the spambayes lists are setup basically the same as the other mail.python.org lists, so someone like Barry would be the most knowledgeable, probably. I'm guessing that they're not reading this thread and/or are busy at the moment. =Tony Meyer

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RE: [spambayes-dev] 1.0 Build Testing (please!)
by Tony Meyer Sept. 22, 2004

Sept. 22, 2004

> OK, I tried both the Outlook add-in and the POP3 proxy. It > wasn't rigorous testing, to be sure, but basic functionality > seems to work fine in both. Great, thanks. > I did notice that the version number in SpamBayes Manager > shows as "1.0 (July 2004)". I know the source code hasn't > really changed since then so I'm fine with leaving that date > on it, but I thought I'd point it out just in case it was an oversite. I noticed that too, when I tested on a second machine. I wondered about changing it and started to, then decided that I shouldn't. The source hasn't changed at all since then (July was when I put the source releases together - so they show that date, too - and when we had hoped that Mark would find the time to build the binary). It's easy to change if anyone thinks it should be, but I'm uncertain whether it should be (and since I'd also have to rebuild the source, didn't). =Tony Meyer

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RE: [spambayes-dev] RE: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
by Tony Meyer Sept. 21, 2004

Sept. 21, 2004

> Your list uses VERP bounce addresses, so the return-path includes > the subscriber address. After one or more forwards, the end > user's MTA still bounces to the same address. If the message I > am replying to had bounced, the bounce would come back to your > MTA with a 2821 envelope of: > > MAIL FROM:<> > RCPT TO:<spambayes-dev-bounces+sethg=goodmanassociates.com(a)python.org> > > Your list software is supposed to route that bounce to the admin so > you can unsubscribe the dead account. There is no way that a bounce > should get distributed to the list, unless it really was a post, not > a DSN. These messages aren't going to the list, they're going to anyone that posts to the list (i.e. ta-meyer(a)ihug.co.nz gets the messages when I post with that address, not all of the spambayes(a)python.org recipients). I don't know whether mail.python.org is getting bounces or not - I presume not, or mailman would be doing something about it. > What do the headers look like? This (and VERP) was the clue I needed, though (thanks!). The (relevant) headers of the attached (bounced) messages are (for one such message): """ To: "'blakemail at gmx.net'" <"blakemail at gmx.net"@smtp.hispeed.ch>, <spambayes(a)python.org> X-MDRemoteIP: 62.250.3.117 X-MDRcpt-To: werner(a)wekorpershoek.nl X-MDRedirect: 1 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: w.korpershoek(a)fresq.nl """ So this means that the problem address is "blakemail at gmx.net", right? That address *is* subscribed to the list. Could someone that understands this better than me confirm this? If so, then unsubscribing that address is ok, right? (I presume that attempting to email either the fresq.nl or gmx.net address would be futile). =Tony Meyer

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RE: [spambayes-dev] 1.0 Build Testing (please!)
by Tony Meyer Sept. 21, 2004

Sept. 21, 2004

> After this change, sb_server remained running and I was able > to access the UI. When I tried to proxy through it to > retrieve mail, however, I got the following error in the log > file (which looks remarkably similar to the error Richie reported): > > """ > error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel > <sb_server.BayesProxyListener listening :9210 at 0xd6a6c0> > (exceptions.KeyError:('pop3proxy', > 'allow_remote_connections') [asyncore.pyc|read|69] [...] D'oh! I finally figured out what the problem was here. I had forgotten that the machine I was using to build the binary (which I seldom use, but has the required Outlook 2000) had an installed copy of spambayes from some work I did a while back. py2exe was picking *this* spambayes up, rather than the nice fresh 1.0 copy that I had checked out. So the problem was incompatibility between the scripts (which were the right ones) and the spambayes package. So I've fixed this, built a new binary, and uploaded it. I put this one through more rigorous testing, so it should work, I think. But if you two can spare more time, it would be great to have another test... <http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/spambayes/spambayes-1.0.exe?download> <http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/spambayes/spambayes-1.0.tar.gz?download> <http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/spambayes/spambayes-1.0.zip?download> Thanks! =Tony Meyer

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Re: [spambayes-dev] 1.0 Build Testing (please!)
by Richie Hindle Sept. 21, 2004

Sept. 21, 2004

[Tony] > the machine I was using to build the binary (which I seldom use, but > has the required Outlook 2000) had an installed copy of spambayes from some > work I did a while back. py2exe was picking *this* spambayes up, rather > than the nice fresh 1.0 copy that I had checked out. That's why I keep a clean machine in VMWare. It's not cheap (even when you're paying in UK pounds 8-) but it pays for itself in saved time by preventing this kind of thing from happening. > But if you two > can spare more time, it would be great to have another test... Will do, this evening. -- Richie Hindle richie(a)entrian.com

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RE: [spambayes-dev] RE: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
by Tony Meyer Sept. 20, 2004

Sept. 20, 2004

[Tony] >> Do the mail admin experts here have any advice about what could be >> done? If the only suggestion is removing this address from the >> subscription list, is that a reasonable thing to do? [Skip] > I went looking to do just that. I didn't see that email > address, so assume Tim beat me to it. Weird. I can't find it either, but the bounces are still arriving. I suppose that means that they are subscribed under some address that forwards to the problem address. Oh well, I guess we live with it. SpamBayes considers these spam for me (I only administer teeny little mailing lists, but still get plenty of bogus bounces), but I still think that it'd confuse first-time spambayes(a)python.org posters. Thanks for looking into it, though! =Tony Meyer

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RE: [spambayes-dev] 1.0 Build Testing (please!)
by Tony Meyer Sept. 20, 2004

Sept. 20, 2004

> I compiled a 0-length __init__.py in my source dir and used > it to replace the spambayes/resources/__init__.pyc in > spambayes.zip. I also deleted the .pyc files for resourcepackage. Drat. I had forgotten about changing the __init__.py file, but I did uninstall resourcepackage after the first binary I built didn't work. So I guess this means that I managed to upload that one, and not the one I built after that (since the resourcepackage .pyc files couldn't have been in there - and py2exe did say that it couldn't find it). I'll redo it with the proper __init__, though (and I'm writing a "how to build the binary" section for the readme-devel, so this is easier next time! > After this change, sb_server remained running and I was able > to access the UI. When I tried to proxy through it to > retrieve mail, however, I got the following error in the log > file (which looks remarkably similar to the error Richie reported): > > """ > error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel > <sb_server.BayesProxyListener listening :9210 at 0xd6a6c0> > (exceptions.KeyError:('pop3proxy', > 'allow_remote_connections') [asyncore.pyc|read|69] > [asyncore.pyc|handle_read_event|384] > [spambayes\Dibbler.pyc|handle_accept|284] > [sb_server.pyc|__init__|374] [sb_server.pyc|__init__|191] > [sb_server.pyc|onIncomingConnection|206] > [spambayes\OptionsClass.pyc|__getitem__|604] > [spambayes\OptionsClass.pyc|get|601] > [spambayes\OptionsClass.pyc|get_option|595]) > """ I'll look into this. I only did fairly superficial testing (i.e. the various bits of the ui) since I figured that nothing else would be different from rc2. I'll do better testing this time, too. Thanks again to you & Richie. =Tony Meyer

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RE: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
by Tony Meyer Sept. 20, 2004

Sept. 20, 2004

I (and I presume everyone else) have been getting one of these messages for every post to spambayes(a)python.org for a long time now (well over a month). They're getting a bit annoying, and are probably confusing for first-time posters. Do the mail admin experts here have any advice about what could be done? If the only suggestion is removing this address from the subscription list, is that a reasonable thing to do? =Tony Meyer > -----Original Message----- > From: postmaster(a)fresq.nl [mailto:postmaster@fresq.nl] > Sent: Monday, 20 September 2004 5:42 p.m. > To: tameyer(a)ihug.co.nz > Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) > > > This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. > > Unable to deliver message to the following recipients, > because the message was forwarded more than the maximum > allowed times. This could indicate a mail loop. > > w.korpershoek(a)fresq.nl > > > >

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RE: [spambayes-dev] 1.0 Build Testing (please!)
by Tony Meyer Sept. 20, 2004

Sept. 20, 2004

[Tony] >> If you want something done... ;) [Richie] > <excuse>I'd have volunteered but I don't have Outlook.</excuse> That's a pretty good excuse, really! :) (In fact, I believe you have to have not just Outlook, but Outlook 2000...) [download problem] Well, I don't know what was wrong, but I think I've fixed it (I removed the file and uploaded it again, and the file isn't hidden, although I don't think it was that). Anyway, it downloads from the 4 or 5 mirrors I just tried, so hopefully will for anyone else, too. <http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/spambayes/spambayes-1.0.exe?download> <http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/spambayes/spambayes-1.0.tar.gz?download> <http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/spambayes/spambayes-1.0.zip?download> =Tony Meyer

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