Mailman 3 January 2005 - spambayes-dev

RE: [spambayes-dev] 1.0.2 and 1.1a1
by Tony Meyer March 21, 2005

March 21, 2005

As most will probably have seen, I've done the 1.0.2 release. I smoke-tested the source (I've run it lots of times recently, and there are few changes) and did a bit of testing with the binary (turns out using Python 2.4 wasn't as simple as expected). [Tony Meyer] >> Are there any things not done yet that people would like to see in >> 1.1? [Kenny Pitt] > Just a couple of minor ones. Unfortunately, I'm on a tight > deadline at work until at least the end of January. Even with my rough plan there's a month between a1 and a2, so plenty of time to add more :) I think it'd be good to get something out though, since the 'deeper' changes can be tested already and people can give us feedback about various changes. > I'd like to get a tab added to the Manager for configuring > the notification sounds. It may be just edit boxes for the > filenames at first (no browse), but I think we need something > if general users are going to be able to take advantage of it. +1. Browse shouldn't be too hard - you should be able to just call CreateFileDialog, right? I agree that this would be nice before a1, so that people get a feel for the interface. I can hold off until it's done (I'm fairly busy with stuff at the moment, too). > Given that we haven't been able to solve the bsddb > corruption/run-recovery problem, I've completely given up and am happy in my ZODB.FileStorage world <0.1 wink>. I'd like to include the necessary ZODB stuff in a a1 build so that people can give ZODB a go if they would like, assuming that it doesn't bloat the installer too much. However, there still isn't a ZODB release for Python 2.4, so I'd have to build it myself, which I'm not too sure about. Maybe one is coming soon. (Tim would know, I expect). > I wanted to try something > with automatic backups to at least provide a recovery > mechanism. My idea was to detect if the database is still > good when shutting down, How? Back when I was playing with things (and I think Richie found this too, but it's a long time back) I found that you could corrupt the database and the RUN_RECOVERY error wouldn't be triggered until several accesses later. > and if so make a backup copy of the > .db file. When starting up, if the training data is corrupt > then try to restore this "known good" backup and then attempt > the open again. Making a backup could be worth a go, though. Maybe this ought to be an (Outlook experimental) option? It will almost double the amount of disk space that the plug-in requires. > Speaking of translations, have you been able to build a > binary since the translation support was added? Whenever I > try to run setup_all.py, I get the following error: > > """ > running py2exe > running build_py > error: package directory 'spambayes\resources' does not exist """ That's unrelated to the translation stuff. It's a distutils change, IIRC - I checked in a fix to the 1.0.x branch, but never got around to checking it into HEAD. I'll do that now. =Tony.Meyer

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RE: [spambayes-dev] 1.0.2 and 1.1a1
by Tony Meyer Feb. 11, 2005

Feb. 11, 2005

> There's a win32gui.GetOpenFileName() method that provides a > lower-level interface to the open dialog. It requires you to > manually construct the Win32 API OPENFILENAME structure and > pass it in as a string, and I haven't had time to figure out > how to do that yet. There's an example here: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/pythonce/2002-October/000204.html> It's for Windows CE, I think, but is probably more-or-less the same :) =Tony.Meyer

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RE: [spambayes-dev] RE: [Spambayes-checkins] spambayes/windowsspambayes.iss, 1.18, 1.19
by Tony Meyer Feb. 3, 2005

Feb. 3, 2005

[Tony Meyer] >> Modified Files: >> spambayes.iss >> >> + UsagePage := CreateInputOptionPage(UserPage.ID, >> + 'Personal Information', 'How will you use My Program?', >> + 'Please specify how you would like to use My Program, then >> click Next.', + True, False); >> + UsagePage.Add('Light mode (no ads, limited functionality)'); >> + UsagePage.Add('Sponsored mode (with ads, full functionality)'); >> + UsagePage.Add('Paid mode (no ads, full functionality)'); [Kenny Pitt] > Dare I even ask what this stuff is all about? <wink> Opps. As you've guessed, I had decided to try and update spambayes.iss for Inno 5.x, and accidentally checked that stuff in. I'll revert it soonish. > BTW, py2exe doesn't put MSVCR71.dll in the dist/bin by > default so the InnoSetup script won't compile initially. Is > copying MSVCR71.DLL to py2exe/dist/bin just a manual step > that needs to be done before running Inno? If so, we may > want to include that in README-DEVEL.txt. I'm still trying to get my head around what to do with msvcr71.dll. Thomas Heller on the py2exe-users list said that he thinks that (in his IANAL opinion) you need a license to redistribute mscvr71.dll. If that's the case, then we can't include it with SpamBayes (I'll do a 1.0.4 with Python 2.3, and 1.1a1 can be built with 2.3 as well), AFAICT. If it is legit to include it, then we need to figure where to source it. Either it's not distributed with Python or the Python install puts it in windows\system32 (I haven't had a chance to check). (Thomas's (again, IANAL) opinion was that it was legit for Python to redistribute the dll. There was some discussion of this a while back on python-dev, I believe). If Python does install it, then we can just source it from wherever it gets put (the setup_all.py script can do this). If Python doesn't install it, but we are going to, then a manual copy is probably the only option, and we'll just have to update README-DEVEL.txt. Using Python 2.4 has turned out to be a right PITA, really, and I wish I had just stuck with 2.3. It is tempting to give up using 2.4, and just include email 3.0 instead (IIRC that's a reasonably simple option), since that's the primary reason for using 2.4. =Tony.Meyer

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Spambayes single installation for multiple mail clients
by T Varnedoe Jan. 28, 2005

Jan. 28, 2005

Question: Is there a way to install a single instance of Spambayes and have it work with 2 mail clients installed on the same computer? I.e. Outlook Express v2003 (Corporate email) client and Outlook 2003 (Personal email) clients. Thanks in advance for your time and efforts on my behalf. Best Regards Tom V

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RE: [Spambayes-checkins] spambayes/windows spambayes.iss, 1.18, 1.19
by Kenny Pitt Jan. 28, 2005

Jan. 28, 2005

Tony Meyer wrote: > Modified Files: > spambayes.iss > > + UsagePage := CreateInputOptionPage(UserPage.ID, > + 'Personal Information', 'How will you use My Program?', > + 'Please specify how you would like to use My Program, then > click Next.', + True, False); > + UsagePage.Add('Light mode (no ads, limited functionality)'); > + UsagePage.Add('Sponsored mode (with ads, full functionality)'); > + UsagePage.Add('Paid mode (no ads, full functionality)'); Dare I even ask what this stuff is all about? <wink> BTW, py2exe doesn't put MSVCR71.dll in the dist/bin by default so the InnoSetup script won't compile initially. Is copying MSVCR71.DLL to py2exe/dist/bin just a manual step that needs to be done before running Inno? If so, we may want to include that in README-DEVEL.txt. -- Kenny Pitt

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RE: [spambayes-dev] 1.0.2 and 1.1a1
by Tony Meyer Jan. 28, 2005

Jan. 28, 2005

[Tony Meyer] >> Browse shouldn't be too hard - you should be able to just call >> CreateFileDialog, right? [Kenny Pitt] > Unfortunately, that's kind of the sticking point. > CreateFileDialog comes from win32ui, not win32gui, and > win32ui requires the MFC dlls. Ah - I didn't realise that CreateFileDialog was in win32ui and not win32gui. Does this mean all common dialogs need win32ui, or can we just call them (CFileDialog) explicitly ourselves? (With something like win32api.LoadLibrary). > I played around a little with a SQLite classifier also [...] > Right now, I don't know if it would really be any > more stable than bsd or not. That's the trouble - I never get an bsddb corruption problems anymore, so I have no idea if I would trigger problems with other storage methods either. It would be good if we could have a range available at least in the 1.1 alphas anyway. Maybe in 1.2 the storage method could even be exposed via the GUI (in Advanced options). =Tony.Meyer

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Multiple Windows User Profiles
by TBrigham＠venocoinc.com Jan. 27, 2005

Jan. 27, 2005

Can you please explain how to install/configure the Outlook Add-in on a Windows XP machine with multiple User Profiles? The Add-in must be installed on the XP box as "Administrator". After installation, my other users log into the machine as "Local Users". When they start up Outlook, the SpamBayes configuration wizard doesn't run. Is there a way to install for all users of the machine? Thanks, Todd D. Brigham - Systems Analyst Venoco, Inc. * (805) 745-2167 * HYPERLINK "mailto:tbrigham@venocoinc.com"tbrigham(a)venocoinc.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.5 - Release Date: 1/26/2005

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1.0.2 and 1.1a1
by Tony Meyer Jan. 26, 2005

Jan. 26, 2005

If no-one objects, I'd like to put 1.0.2 out tomorrow (all going well). There are a couple of web interface bugs that are particularly annoying (changing config problem and display when the config path contains on of '<>&'), plus various minor fixes. It should also work with Python 2.4, and (this is the main change for Outlook users) the binary will be build with 2.4. At this point, I'm not particularly interested in continuing work for a 1.0.3 release (although if 1.1 takes a long time, then maybe that will change), so this would the last in the 1.0.x line. If you have any changes you want in 1.0.2, please let me know so I can hold off the build. Otherwise I'll put it together later today and put a release up on sourceforge and announce it here so that maybe one or two people can give it a go (there are so few changes that it ought to be reasonably safe) before a proper announcement tomorrow. After that, I'd like to try and get a 1.1a1 out the door so that people can try it out (there are heaps of changes - checkins that date from May last year!). I had hoped to get this out by the end of the month, but that's rapidly approaching...my rough plan is this: 1.1a1: End of January (31st maybe, since that's a holiday here) 1.1a2: End of February 1.1b1: Mid March (assuming both alphas go well) 1.1rc1: Start of April 1.1: Early April Are there any things not done yet that people would like to see in 1.1? If I recall the process correctly, when 1.1b1 goes out we consider the trunk frozen (apart from bugfixes) and once 1.1 is out we cut a branch for it and unfreeze the trunk. Things I'm planning on doing before 1.1a1, if I can find the time: * I'm not 100% sure that the ZODBClassifier and (particularly) ZEOClassifier storages classes are working exactly as they should. Things I'm planning on doing before 1.1a2, if I can find the time: * Finishing up getting at least basic unit test scripts done for all the spambayes package. * For the binary, updating the installer script to include sb_imapfilter and sb_pop3dnd and a few minor changes that have been suggested by people. * It would be great to have at least one translation completely done. We currently have most of French and some of Spanish. All I can do is check the stuff in, of course. Any others? Or any suggestions for changes to the proposed schedule? =Tony.Meyer

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RE: [spambayes-dev] 1.0.2 and 1.1a1
by Tony Meyer Jan. 25, 2005

Jan. 25, 2005

[Tony Meyer] > I'll put it together > later today and put a release up on sourceforge and announce > it here so that maybe one or two people can give it a go > (there are so few changes that it ought to be reasonably > safe) before a proper announcement tomorrow. I've done this. It seems unlikely that anyone is really after anything extra to go into 1.0.2, but if there is, speak up and I'll redo the builds tomorrow (NZ time). Otherwise, please feel free to download the source or binary and give it a spin. I've got some more testing of it myself to do tomorrow, and barring any problems cropping up, I'll put out an announcement probably tomorrow afternoon. <https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=61702&package_id=581 41&release_id=299864> =Tony.Meyer

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RE: [spambayes-dev] More stupid beats smart timcv.py results
by Tony Meyer Jan. 25, 2005

Jan. 25, 2005

[Tony Meyer, last week] > The latter was prompted by a comment in JGC's latest > newsletter (though I'm sure I've seen this somewhere before, > too). To avoid deliberate misspellings and the so-called > 'cambridge effect' you replace each (or generate a new) token > that is made up of the letters in the original token sorted > into a constant order (e.g. alphabetical). So "god" becomes > "dgo", but so does "dog". At the MIT Spam Conference John mentioned (offhand, regarding something else) that POPFile does this just for words that are longer than 6 characters. Since I already had the stuff at hand, I gave this a go, in case the poor results were just from those short words. Compared to all-defaults, fp and fn were unchanged and unsure rose 0.03%. So the verdict is unchanged. (I can post cmp.py or table.py results if anyone is interested, but there's nothing really interesting here). =Tony.Meyer

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