Re: [spambayes-dev] [Spambayes] removal
Op dinsdag 21-08-2007 om 08:38 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef cindy lucas:
please remove me from your list _______________________________________________ SpamBayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
A request for the SpamBayes developers: could you please add a FAQ entry that explains how to subscribe, but more important: how to UNsubscribe from the mailing list? I am subscribed to a lot of mailman mailing lists, and the last few days or weeks there was a lot of noise on those lists about people who wanted to unsubscribe. Because of some unexplainable reason, people don't scroll to the bottom of the listinfo page. On one list, they changed the mailinglist footer. I would suggest: SpamBayes@python.org Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.htm People really need to be informed that they can unsubscribe themselves, but only if they follow the correct procedures. -- Amedee Van Gasse <amedee@amedee.be>
Op dinsdag 21-08-2007 om 08:38 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef cindy lucas:
please remove me from your list _______________________________________________ SpamBayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
A request for the SpamBayes developers: could you please add a FAQ entry that explains how to subscribe, but more important: how to UNsubscribe from the mailing list?
Would it be possible for you to change the text and send us a patch? http://spambayes.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/*checkout*/spambayes/trunk/websi te/faq.txt
I am subscribed to a lot of mailman mailing lists, and the last few days or weeks there was a lot of noise on those lists about people who wanted to unsubscribe. Because of some unexplainable reason, people don't scroll to the bottom of the listinfo page.
On one list, they changed the mailinglist footer. I would suggest:
SpamBayes@python.org Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.htm
OK, I've made that change, and I've also changed the message which is sent to new subscribers to have the last paragraph read: """ The spambayes@python.org mailing list formed in September 2002 to support development of the SpamBayes spam filtering system as an outgrowth of earlier threads on the Python developers' mailing list. You can subscribe and unsubscribe to the SpamBayes mailing list using the form at """ I added the words "and unsubscribe" there. Let me know if I screwed something up... Cheers, Mark
Amedee> A request for the SpamBayes developers: could you please add a Amedee> FAQ entry that explains how to subscribe, but more important: Amedee> how to UNsubscribe from the mailing list? Done. Thanks for the suggestion. Amedee> On one list, they changed the mailinglist footer. I would Amedee> suggest: Amedee> SpamBayes@python.org Amedee> Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Amedee> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.htm This appears to already be the case for the SpamBayes list (for both digest and non-digest recipients). Skip
On 9/16/07, skip@pobox.com <skip@pobox.com> wrote:
Amedee> On one list, they changed the mailinglist footer. I would Amedee> suggest:
Amedee> SpamBayes@python.org Amedee> Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Amedee> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.htm
This appears to already be the case for the SpamBayes list (for both digest and non-digest recipients).
I noticed that there is a broken link in the footer, though. The Info/Unsubscribe text links directly to the unsubscribe page, but it uses a list name of "spambayesInfo" instead of "spambayes" and results in a list not found error from the mailman server. -- Kenny Pitt
Kenny> I noticed that there is a broken link in the footer, though. The Kenny> Info/Unsubscribe text links directly to the unsubscribe page, but Kenny> it uses a list name of "spambayesInfo" instead of "spambayes" and Kenny> results in a list not found error from the mailman server. Hmmm... Here's what I see in a message to spambayes@python.org dated September 10: SpamBayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html I clicked all three of those links. They all took me where I expected. No 404s. Is there something different in the digest version perhaps? Can you forward me a problematic message? Skip
On 9/18/07, skip@pobox.com <skip@pobox.com> wrote:
Hmmm... Here's what I see in a message to spambayes@python.org dated September 10:
SpamBayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
I clicked all three of those links. They all took me where I expected. No 404s. Is there something different in the digest version perhaps? Can you forward me a problematic message?
That's true when reading messages in plain-text format. If you read an HTML-formatted message, though, the "Info/Unsubscribe" label is actually a hyperlink itself and the target for the link is "http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayesInfo/Unsubscribe". -- Kenny Pitt
On 9/28/07, Kenny Pitt <kenny.pitt@gmail.com> wrote:
That's true when reading messages in plain-text format. If you read an HTML-formatted message, though, the "Info/Unsubscribe" label is actually a hyperlink itself and the target for the link is "http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayesInfo/Unsubscribe".
Hmm, this is a bit odd. I was going to go back and grab a copy of the HTML content from one of these messages showing the hyperlink, but it wasn't there. I read all my list mail in GMail, so I asked it to give me a copy of the "original" message source and the spambayesInfo URL doesn't appear anywhere in the source. The only mailing list footer is a plain-text only MIME section at the bottom of the message, yet when viewing that message inside GMail there is a clickable hyperlink that results in a "mail.python.org Mailing Lists" list page with the message "No such list spambayesinfo" at the top. It's almost as if GMail is inferring a hyperlink there, but I can't figure out why or where it came up with the link because the spambayesInfo name doesn't even appear in any of the mail header fields. If you're interested, here's the complete message source that I got back from GMail. You can see that it does contain an HTML-formatted version of the message in the multipart MIME, but it does *not* contain an HTML version of the mailing list footer. Delivered-To: kenny.pitt@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.179.3 with SMTP id b3cs18640huf; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 06:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.61.5 with SMTP id o5mr7604695qbk.1190986240022; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 06:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <spambayes-bounces@python.org> Received: from smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.27]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 34si72702nfu.2007.09.28.06.30.23; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 06:30:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 194.109.24.27 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of spambayes-bounces@python.org) client-ip=194.109.24.27; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 194.109.24.27 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of spambayes-bounces@python.org) smtp.mail=spambayes-bounces@python.org Received: from bag.python.org (bag.python.org [194.109.207.14]) by smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l8SDSE7S010378; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:28:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from spambayes-bounces@python.org) Received: from bag.python.org (bag [127.0.0.1]) by bag.python.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8091E400F; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:28:14 +0200 (CEST) X-Original-To: spambayes@python.org Delivered-To: spambayes@bag.python.org Received: from bag.python.org (bag [127.0.0.1]) by bag.python.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92F5D1E400D for <spambayes@python.org>; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:28:12 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Status: OK 0.283 X-Spam-Level: ** Received: from bag (HELO bag.python.org) (127.0.0.1) by bag.python.org with SMTP; 28 Sep 2007 15:28:12 +0200 Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com [208.47.184.3]) by bag.python.org (Postfix) with ESMTP for <spambayes@python.org>; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:28:09 +0200 (CEST) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=bDZf-hiUAAAA:8 a=uZaO26zKCG1hwd7DcXwA:9 a=JLoLedn8_sZQlPhFTrYA:7 a=eWcznnakSMoiXw2l1nXcckFRakAA:4 a=begle0EBvngA:10 a=8UrxtZQlJLQA:10 a=CJge89XrRHUA:10 a=rl0z1pC05qIA:10 a=igkdSQrOE6AA:10 a=UAZALQJaam5NKcqJVAYA:9 a=9E8deBQlciORg-mNlxIA:7 a=tfy5mZt21pgCrgPk0T-vlZi79JMA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp08.embarq.synacor.com smtp.mail=janb@hardwooddesigns.com; spf=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp08.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=hardwooddsgns@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received-SPF: error (smtp08.embarq.synacor.com: 63.162.203.184 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of hardwooddesigns.com Received: from [63.162.203.184] ([63.162.203.184:42497] helo=JANPC) by mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (envelope-from <janb@hardwooddesigns.com>) (ecelerity 2.2.0.18 r(18773)) with ESMTPA id 87/C0-15541-8610DF64; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:28:08 -0400 From: "Jan Bouterse" <janb@hardwooddesigns.com> To: <spambayes@python.org> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:28:08 -0400 Message-ID: <001101c801d3$68c00100$0e01a8c0@hardwood.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcgB02f+3gdRmfsYQUChkF/j3Ig8Xw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Subject: [Spambayes] question X-BeenThere: spambayes@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for Pythonic Bayesian classifier <spambayes.python.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes>, <mailto:spambayes-request@python.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes> List-Post: <mailto:spambayes@python.org> List-Help: <mailto:spambayes-request@python.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes>, <mailto:spambayes-request@python.org?subject=subscribe> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0576480163==" Sender: spambayes-bounces@python.org Errors-To: spambayes-bounces@python.org X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0576480163== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C801B1.E1AE6100" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C801B1.E1AE6100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First, let me commend you on your awesome program! Please let me know how I get writ of the SPAM-LOW that appears in front of some of the subjects in outlook's "subject field" I thank you in advance, Jan Bouterse, Director of Business Development Hardwood Designs, Inc. 511 Valley Forge Rd. Hillsborough, NC 27278 phone 919-643-1100 fax 919-643-1101 www.hardwooddesigns.com "The information contained in this correspondence may be considered confidential and proprietary. Distribute only by the express authority of Hardwood Designs Inc." ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C801B1.E1AE6100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii"> <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 6.5.7036.0"> <TITLE>question</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <!-- Converted from text/rtf format --> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">First, let me commend you on your = awesome program!</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Please let me know how I get writ of = the SPAM-LOW that appears in front of some of the subjects in outlook's = "subject field"</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I thank you in advance,</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Jan Bouterse,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Director of Business = Development</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Hardwood Designs, Inc.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">511 Valley Forge Rd.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Hillsborough, NC 27278</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">phone 919-643-1100</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">fax 919-643-1101</FONT> <BR><A HREF=3D"file://www.hardwooddesigns.com"><U><FONT = COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 = FACE=3D"Arial">www.hardwooddesigns.com</FONT></U></A> </P> <P><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman">"The information contained in = this correspondence may be considered confidential and proprietary. = Distribute only by the express authority of Hardwood Designs = Inc."</FONT></P> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> </BODY> </HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C801B1.E1AE6100-- --===============0576480163== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ SpamBayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html --===============0576480163==-- -- Kenny Pitt
Kenny> Hmm, this is a bit odd.... It's almost as if GMail is inferring Kenny> a hyperlink there, but I can't figure out why or where it came up Kenny> with the link because the spambayesInfo name doesn't even appear Kenny> in any of the mail header fields. I use gmail as well, though I get the mail delivered via POP and only rarely use the gmail web interface. I just went back and looked at this and a couple other threads via the gmail web interface. Not only did I not see or click URLs with missing "/" characters, I did not encounter any Info/Unsubscribe links which ended in "/Unsubscribe". They all took me (correctly, I believe) to the ".../listinfo/spambayes" page. Maybe it's a browser problem or an interaction between gmail and your web browser. I'm viewing through Thunderbird 2.0.0.something on Solaris 10 at the moment. I can check using Safari and T-Bird from my Mac when I get home. Skip
On 9/28/07, skip@pobox.com <skip@pobox.com> wrote:
Kenny> Hmm, this is a bit odd.... It's almost as if GMail is inferring Kenny> a hyperlink there, but I can't figure out why or where it came up Kenny> with the link because the spambayesInfo name doesn't even appear Kenny> in any of the mail header fields.
I use gmail as well, though I get the mail delivered via POP and only rarely use the gmail web interface. I just went back and looked at this and a couple other threads via the gmail web interface. Not only did I not see or click URLs with missing "/" characters, I did not encounter any Info/Unsubscribe links which ended in "/Unsubscribe". They all took me (correctly, I believe) to the ".../listinfo/spambayes" page. Maybe it's a browser problem or an interaction between gmail and your web browser. I'm viewing through Thunderbird 2.0.0.something on Solaris 10 at the moment. I can check using Safari and T-Bird from my Mac when I get home.
Yeah, it's definately something weird that the GMail web interface is doing with the sigs, and it seems to be browser-specific. I opened the same message thread in both Safari and Firefox 2 on my Mac. For the following line in the signature, I got totally different results: Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Safari: "Info/Unsubscribe" not highlighted as a link. "http://mail.python.org/mailman" highlighted as a link (note incomplete highlight) linking to "http://mail.pythong.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes". Firefox: "Info/Unsubscribe" highlighted as a link linking to "http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayesInfo/Unsubscribe". "http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes" highlighted as a link to the same complete URL. IIRC, the behavior I got at work on IE in Windows was the same as what I'm seeing in Firefox on the Mac. In looking closer at the Firefox result, I think I see what is happening. The line above the "Info/Unsubscribe" line in the signature is "http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes" on a line by itself. The "Info/Unsubscribe" appears to have been detected as a broken-line continuation of the URL on the line above and was converted into a single link to the "re-assembled" URL. The "spambayesInfo" comes from the "Info" part being appended. The "/Unsubscribe" then makes it *look* like a direct link to an unsubscribe page, but isn't the actual URL format used by mailman. I can't be sure, but I think it may actually be GMail that is doing the combining. First, I saw it in both Firefox and IE, though not in Safari, so it is not entirely browser-specific. Second, I'm quite sure I actually saw the link in the page source on IE. On the Mac, all I could get from source was the GMail JavaScript, but my IE has a developer extension to show the actual HTML inserted by the JavaScript and that's where it showed up. So apparently it's just a strange GMail web interface glitch. There's obviously nothing wrong with the sig coming from mailman, so nothing to fix. Sorry for the wild goose chase! <0.5 wink> -- Kenny Pitt
Kenny> That's true when reading messages in plain-text format. If you Kenny> read an HTML-formatted message, though, the "Info/Unsubscribe" Kenny> label is actually a hyperlink itself and the target for the link Kenny> is Kenny> "http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayesInfo/Unsubscribe". Kenny, I don't see anywhere that Mailman does HTML. Can you send me an email as an attachment so I can see Received: headers and everything? Thanks, Skip
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